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Id like to see a robot flip Tornado while the are using the ACW. Gravity maybe?

Kev - think metal spiders web and youre more than halfway there.

[kaideejee]

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Cheers for that - I found some pics on the tornado site (admittedly of the cage post-battle-trashing) and now Ive got a much better idea what youre all talking about.

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[codename_47]

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Well, if Tornado was fighting a flipper, they wouldnt have the ACW on, as its only for crushers...

Thats what I thought the Razer hook was for actually, to try and use the Razer arm to allow it to flip Tornado....which Im not sure would work upside down with the cage on...

Oh well, without Razer its all moot now....and without RW, VERY moot Im afraid!!

Word of the day: Moot!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[fluppet]

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I think the hook was just to get the wheels off the ground - which it did very well (even if the subsequent attempt to push was less effective). At the right angle the entire frame can be lifted (as in season 6), in which case an OOTA might have worked - hook under the body, using the ACW as leverage.

For dragging the ACW, Im surprised the rear-facing hooks on Razers spine werent effective - I thought thats what they were there for, and by lowering the snoot and driving under the cage Id have thought Razer could get inside it and start chewing on Tornado proper. But hey, since my driving isnt up to Ians standards (probably - the old can you drive a car?/I dont know, Ive never tried thing) Im not really in a position to suggest tactics.

Its true Tornado probably wouldnt have the ACW against a flipper, although it would definitely make it harder to flip all the way over (although the ground clearance would be a bit of a problem). Might happen in a multi-way fight, though. Id have thought the spinner was low-profile enough that Tornado would still be invertible.

More of a moot point since the ACW is illegal in Robot Wars now. Mind you, it might get used against other crushers in an FRA event (given an arena which can take the spinner) which would be interesting.

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[bobblebot2]

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Like andrew said tornado wouldnt have the ACW against anyone now

[fluppet]

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Might be interesting to see it in EdWars/the impending grade 1 arena, although presumably only against the less famous crushers (Snakebite and Viper - have I got that right? I should know better, sorry.)

Mind you, if they got the right height so the blades didnt touch it, it might be interesting against Typhoon2... (more so than the anti-spinner weapon would have been, at least).

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[typhoon_driver]

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what was their anti spinner weapon that i have heard so much about and yet never been given a description of?

[fluppet]

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My understanding (and Ive never seen it either) was that its a static spike, presumably very well supported, with a convenient mount of a thick layer of rubber which covers the outside of Tornado.

But its been years since I read that, so it might have been completely corrupted in my memory. Team Tornado?

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[pcbore]

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I know what it was. It was a set of tyres set up on a rotating frame, so when the spinner hit the tyres, the fram revolved and Tornado took no damage. It had no offensive capability, so it was banned.

[storm]

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Nope, that wasnt what it was either Frank !

It was an outer Titanium ring around Tornado which was shock mounted onto the chassis using tyres. This not only held the spinner at bay, but also took the shock impacts out of their attacks.

Saying it had no offensive capacity was pointless, their scoop had no offensive capability either, but that was allowed ! They could ram people with the scoop, or the front section of the anti-spinner weapon.

Sadly this was another example of Mentorn making changes to the rules as they went along !

Still, they were going to use it against Hypnodisc in Series 6 and won with the non-offensive scoop anyway

Ed
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[steve_c]

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Well, the wedge had two spikes at the top corners, so thats probably why it got past the series 6 rules in terms of offensive capabilities.

BTW: in series 7, they mentioned a weapon no.4, which was no good against flippers and never got used - what was it?

[mikeyg]

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On their site, Andrew mentions them converting the ACW disk/bar into a vertical spinner.

[fluppet]

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Frank: interesting, and roughly what some people (including me) have been suggesting as an anti-Typhoon device. :-)

Ed: Thank you; clearly Id picked up on the shock mounting (I should have clarified that by outside I meant horizontally...) without picking up on the hard outer surface. I always thought having an entirely rubber outer coating was a recipe for leaving chunks of rubber all over the arena anyway. And Mentorn, inconsistent? Surely not! :-)

Stephen: Im interested too!

Mike: That sounds weird - I really cant see the advantage (other than possibly making it harder to chew the weapon). Ill have to go and have a look in a quiet moment.

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[pcbore]

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I was close... The principle was the same.

And yes, Tornados scoop does have offensive capability as it allows them to get under robots and push them more efficiently.

[fwsorg]

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back to the whole robot as a weapon debate- in that respect tornado in that setup is just the same as storm 2 verion 1, which was not allowed as it had no offensive weapon! Ah, they joys of mentorn thinking/or lack of...