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[leorcc]

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quote:

The only thing a writer really needs to know is Does this robot have enough battery power to last 3-5 minutes? because fights rarely last longer than that. And how will you know that if the vapourbot builder doesnt include battery stats? Right now most writers just assume it does, which in my opinion is wrong.

(Message edited by leorcc on August 14, 200

[leorcc]

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And I never apologize at all. Well... rarely.

(Message edited by leorcc on August 14, 200

[siphai]

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I, for one, do not include such trivial things like battery power and dimensions. And, to be quite honest, I have better things to do than that. If I was forced to to research and find something about every aspect of the robot, made sure that it stayed underweight while coming up with a good and effective design, I do not think it would be worth to compete :P

[majinb]

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quote:

made sure that it stayed underweight

ermz... fact is Alex, you come here and enter stuff and claim that its 100 kg, its your responsibility to make sure its not blatantly overweight

and of course we have the how to imrpove topic, if you arent sure what to use run your bots through that topic and make sure to listen to the suggestions you get

[kodster]

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Adding my own two cents here...

Batteries and dimensions DO matter, as were trying to be creative with our designs, and I think it lazy and uncaring of the other builders that dont account for batteries in their stats. Sure, Frank, batteries really dont matter in a battle much, but its like Leo said: When a part of the robot is 10-15% of the total weight, than that part is far from pointless. Its the actual STATS that matter. Look at some of the overpowered bots that use LEM200s and Eteks. Im quite sure that hardly any of those people take into account that battery weight will push their rammer over the limit.

As for dimensions, its the same thing. They dont matter much in the battle, but they DO matter in the stats. Some people are so infernally convinced that they can stuff like a couple of LEM130s, some NiCads/A123s, 4WD, a weapon, and all the rest inside something like a 70x70x15 box and get away with it. and even if it DID fit inside, then batteries would matter even more, as they would get so damned hot from lack of space they wouldnt be able to air out, and would meltdown and the bot would stop. Aarons right, some of the writers (I myself ) have gotten to lazy to notice that.

And while were on the topic of dimensions, Frank, I think The May Tracks Has You seems a little too small in dimensions...

Ta.

(Message edited by kodster on August 14, 200

[alex_holt]

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Aaron, your arguement is massively oversimplified, annoyingly patronising and verging on being willfully elitist as per usual.

The point with batteries is that unlike armour or motors which have a direct and easily quantifiable effect upon a design, the fact that these fights are written makes a battery stat just a vague and unecessary complication. How long is a written fight? The writer may say its 3 minutes but as you yourself profess vapour fights frequently dont even resemble actual fights anyway and are by no means half as busy as them most of the time, so how can we expect writers to have an accurate guage of time, if anything what we need to devise is a way of standardising how writers percieve time, but of course as there is no way that could ever be done, its just asking for bad writing to enact something which depends on time as a factor, its not like Im saying dont ever include batteries, or even dont allow for batteries in the weight, which Im in fact for.

The point being no offense to anyone here, but I just dont trust the majority of writers to get the effects of comparative battery stats right, and as it is Im fed up with going out of competitions in unrealistic ways, and this is just another complication to a system a lot of people dont get right as it is.

[tacoman]

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*walks in*

*looks around*

*walks out*

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[siphai]

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What we really need here is a comprimse between what is fun and what is real. For vapourbotting, clearly we need to have the basis for it grounded in reality but we need to not have it so nitpickingly real that we lose a lot of the fun of the whole competition. I know for a fact that Tony retired because of the progressivly stricter rules regarding vapourbotting left it unfun, and I felt that one of the biggest draws in ARC was the easy and simplicity that kept it fresh, fun, and importantly not bogged down in the smaller details.

While I do agree that we need accurate stats in weight (to a certain degree), motors, weaponry, and armor, I do not feel that the smaller details like batters, dimensions, and ground clearence should play a huge part.

What reinforces my point is the fact that fights hardly ever take into account such details, and, like Alex said, are usually hardly accurate enough to follow such things as batteries. One example is where I made Cosmic Thunder 2 have a 1mm or 3mm (i forget) GC on the sides, just to make sure that it would be more manueverable (as if such a small amount would do so :P). It ended up that I was penalized for doing so, since the opposing robot was able to easily get under my sides and toss me around. Despite the fact that they had 0mm ground clearence on the front (like CT2 does), they never hit any bumps in the arena floor or anything of the sort.

The underlying theme Im trying to make here is, just, dont lose sight of what makes this whole competition fun by trying to bring the more trivial parts of real life robotics in it. After all, its just an internet game :P

[kodster]

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Okay, seriously, this discussion needs to be kept off the tournament thread. Please.

[kodster]

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Right. For the sake for other people, Im going to lift the you need batteries in your stats rule...just stop the arguing, PLEASE.

Need Mattys bots still.

[kodster]

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k, got some names from him (though I need 2 more), line-ups are going up shortly...

[kodster]

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Final Entries

Frank Goacher
Tempest Evil-est-oution
The 6isc
The May Tracks Has You
ISDFSA
Masamune
Sakura
Cobalt
Door Stops

Paul Cuomo
Nitro-Gene 5.0
The Rock
Knyfe
Heyght
Inferno
MeCannibal 3.0
Big Nipper
Storm II

Christopher Mason
Die-Ceratops Re-Invertus
Cyclone Force 3
Leprosy Infection
Axe-O-Lotl
Orka Mk 4
Mega Masher 2
Y4
Crash Trashing Robot

Ben Read
Iron Awe 5
Megabyte
Biohazard
Gemini
Gravity
Tsunami
Onslaught
Nightmare

Alex Holt
Slammer VI
Salamander III
Tengu VII
Achilles
Baldur Gamma
Black Panther
Archangel of the Abyss
Dante

Danny Bailey
Death Threat 0.2
Axes of Evil
Cat With Wheels
Crimson Thunder
Sithis
Lethal Execution
Blue Sparks
Leviathan

Martijn M Benschop
Sheer Heart Attack 2
Axe to Fall
Flick of the Wrist
Another Night at the Bar
Back to Rock III
With or Without You
Liar 2
Under Pressure

Steven McGregor
Wedge Devolution
Killotine: EVO
Spin Dash Unleashed
Whirligig 4.5
E Clawdius Unum
Turbo Tails
Traffic Warden
Venus Fly Trap

Daniel Stickler
Supreme
Noo Monsoon
Dervish: Generation X
Pure Evil: Back 2 Basics
DreamCatcher
Weapon Synergy Unleashed
Fling
LowDown

Alex MacWilliams
Snijder
Return of Feedback
Eurypterus Evolved
Flank Attack: DT
Cosmic Thunder 2
Cacodemon
Malaria
The Windmill

Shane Swan
Envy
Thor
Hells Teeth
Air
Trax
Panic Attack (S4)
Firestorm V
Typhoon 2

Dan Boulton
Terrorhurtz
Tornado (S7)
Turbulence
Warhead
X-Terminator 3
Hypno-Disc (S6)
Razer (S6)
Atomic (S7)

Samuel Park
Fatality
Axetra
Mad Dash
Blade of Doom
Ramminator
Bubonic Plague
Walk Dont Run 3n a half
Paralyzation 2

Martyn Forsyth
* 69
Panicking Still
Catus Catus 8.1
Disco 5
The Deer
Forklift 2
Naughty Girl
Youre Dreaming

Andrew Jackson
SOR X
PsycloniZer
Ge5orce
Axeon 3.0
Monolith
Rupture
Exertion
Wedga€™s Revenge

Matthew Fowler
BIACS-LE
Hypertension Mk 3
Storm Wars
Riptile
Roo
Ha-ka
???
???

The Seedings

1. Sheer Heart Attack 2
2. Tempest Evil-est-oution
3. Flank Attack: Divisionary Tactics
4. Son of Ripper X
5. Axeon 3.0
6. Killotine: EVO
7. Cyclone Force 3
8. The 6isc
9. Another Night at the Bar
10. BIACS-LE
11. Tengu VII
12. Salamander III
13. Cosmic Thunder 2
14. Big Nipper
15. E Clawdius Unum
16. Malaria
17. Turbulence
18. Die-Ceratops Re-Invertus
19. Wedge Devolution
20. Axe-O-Lotl
21. Baldur Gamma
22. Leprosy Infection
23. Liar 2
24. Turbo Tails
25. The May Tracks Has You
26. Cacodemon
27. Disco 5
28. The Deer
29. Back to Rock III
30. Ha-Ka
31. Terrorhurtz
32. Whirligig 4.5

+1>The Crash & Burn Tournament 3 - Line-ups

Heat A
Sheer Heart Attack 2 (1) vs. Ge5orce vs. Megabyte vs. Hell€™s Teeth
Turbulence (17) vs. Axes of Evil vs. Slammer VI vs. Naughty Girl

Heat B
Flank Attack: DT (3) vs. Gemini vs. Storm Wars vs. Panicking Still
Wedge Devolution (19) vs. Dervish: Generation X vs. Black Panther vs. Knyfe

Heat C
Axeon 3.0 (5) vs. Gravity vs. Paralyzation 2 vs. Trax
Baldur Gamma (21) vs. * 69 vs. Noo Monsoon vs. Return of Feedback

Heat D
Cyclone Force 3 (7) vs. Rupture vs. Warhead vs. Pure Evil: Back to Basics
Liar 2 (23) vs. Inferno vs. You€™re Dreaming vs. Panic Attack

Heat E
Another Night at the Bar (9) vs. Death Threat 0.2 vs. Walk Don€™t Run 3€™n a Half vs. Nitro-Gene 5.0
The May Tracks Has You (25) vs. Thor vs. Exertion vs. Y4

Heat F
Tengu VII (11) vs. Eurypterus Evolved vs. ISDSFA vs. Flick of the Wrist
Disco 5 (27) vs. Monolith vs. Ramminator vs. Venus Fly Trap

Heat G
Cosmic Thunder 2 (13) vs. X-Terminator 3 vs. Crash Trashing Robot vs. Axetra
Back to Rock (29) vs. Cobalt vs. Tsunami vs. Spin Dash Unleashed

Heat H
E Clawdius Unum (15) vs. Mega Masher 2 vs. The Windmill vs. Cat With Wheels
Terrorhurtz (31) vs. Achilles vs. Bubonic Plague vs. Fling

Heat I
Malaria (16) vs. Atomic vs. Storm II vs. ArchAngel of the Abyss
Whirligig 4.5 (32) vs. Wedga€™s Revenge vs. Iron Awe 5 vs. Sakura

Heat J
Big Nipper (14) vs. LowDown vs. Snijder vs. Sithis
Ha-ka (30) vs. With or Without You vs. Fatality vs. Razer

Heat K
Salamander III (12) vs. Orka MK4 vs. Blade of Doom vs. Hypno-Disc
The Deer (2 vs. Hypertension Mk 3 vs. Dreamcatcher vs. Traffic Warden

Heat L
BIACS-LE (10) vs. Nightmare vs. Lethal Execution vs. Tornado
Cacodemon (26) vs. Heyght vs. Door Stops vs. Under Pressure

Heat M
The 6isc ( vs. Blue Sparks vs. Biohazard vs. Roo
Turbo Tails (24) vs. MeCannibal 3.0 vs. Supreme vs. Firestorm V

Heat N
Killotine: EVO (6) vs. PsycloniZer vs. Axe to Fall vs. Onslaught
Leprosy Infection (22) vs. Forklift 2 vs. Riptile vs. Air

Heat O
Son of Ripper X (4) vs. Masamune vs. Leviathan vs. Mad Dash
Axe-O-Lotl (20) vs. (Matty bot 7) vs. Typhoon 2 vs. The Rock

Heat P
Tempest Evil-est-oution (2) vs. Weapons Synergy Unleashed vs. Envy vs. Dante
Die-Ceratops Re-Invertus (1 vs. Crimson Thunder vs. Catus Catus 8.1 vs. (Matty bot

There you have it. Still waiting for Mattys stats and bots, but theyre a long ways away so we neednt worry bout that now.

Tactics and predictions, anybody?

(Message edited by kodster on August 16, 200

[majinb]

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as for the team songs...

Sheer Heart Attack 2
Sheer Heart Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXc_z5x5oQYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXc_z5x5oQY

Axe to Fall 2
Hammer to Fall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjyka1gkodohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjyka1gkodo

Flick of the Wrist 2
Flick of the Wrist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFwLq6Ywakhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFwLq6Ywak

Three Nights at the Bar
Enter Sandman (itll make sense once you see the design...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYDetbwegshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYDetbwegs

Back to Rock III
We Will Rock You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iikKzQwgBJchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iikKzQwgBJc

With or Without You
With or Without You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEfSnjL0pd8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEfSnjL0pd8

Liar 2
Liar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPe0hhyUCx0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPe0hhyUCx0

Under Pressure
Under Pressure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kde0OKMBAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kde0OKMBA

[samuel3764]

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Tactics: Do MY BEST!!

Paralyzation 2: Spin up, go crazy on Gravity since it has bad armour. Avoid the front LIKE MAD, and go for the back.

Walk Dont Run: Team up with Paul, and go crazy on Martijn.

Ramminator: Rush, rush, boxrush!! Venus Flytrap, that is. Possibly team up with AJ if he agrees?

Axetra: Go crazy on X-Terminator 3, box rush it, and dump it into the pit.

Bubonic Plague: Team up with Achilles. Terrorhurtz looks like a good target, So Ill shred up the axebot with my back disc, and let Achilles flip Terrorhurtz out or into the pit.

Fatality: Ill go for Razer here. Those wheels looks like some nice food. Do what Pussycat did to Razer in the 4th Wars.

Blade of Doom: Uh... Go for Hypno-Disc, stall the weapon, demolish and pit it. (Sorry, Dave Rose)

Mad Dash: Be very aggresive on Leviathan, box rush it, and dump it in the pit.

[majinb]

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nice draw Kody, I will give my heat winning predicitons later (for the heats Im not in)

Sheer Heart Attack 2 (1) vs. Ge5orce vs. Megabyte vs. Hell€™s Teeth
being the first seed I actually wanna give the audience a good show in round 1, nothing fancy, just the vapours showing off against the realies Id say
How about it Andy? Hells Teeth with that disc seems like a nice first opponent for me. Its lotsa surfaces to hit and only a small surface to hit me with. Megabyte with its lousy srimech-skills seems like a lovely opponent for you Andy, Id say, but let me hear what you think please .