Something to think about.

[mute]

Something to think about.

As far as I was aware RR events fall under the FRA rule set (correct me if Im wrong)? And to be frankly honest if you arent a member of the FRA what does it matter to you if the FRA rules do or do not change? If you arent a FRA member you do not need to build to its rules and standards.

Also you missed my point, its a weight limit. You dont have to use 100% of the weight limit. If the limit increases it doesnt mean you need to scrap your machine and start again, you could either leave it as is or modify. Should the rules change sometime in the future (note SHOULD), if you choose not to take advantage of an increase its upto you.

Personally Im against the increase, but the way you talk about it is like is some great conspiricy to instantly change a rule by the evil money extorting FRA. How I see it, Geoff is trying to gauge interest on the subject - not make it law as you are implying.

If you feel so strongly about your opinions why dont you ask to attend one of the meetings? At least then you could express your views directly to the FRA board without going through what you call a flawed system.

Thats me done, cos I aint wading any further into this fictional hornets nest.

[RogueTwoRobots]

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Which events are classed as falling under the FRA? To be honest the FRA has yet to sucessfully promote an event in its own right as far as I know.

Im not actually registered with the FRA or any other body because Im still getting properly started in the sport but from what I can pick up from what Ive read in various places, such as this forum, is that the FRA dont promote themselves as an event organiser - only as a governing body - therefore they dont put on events of their own therefore they cant promote any events under their own right.

What exactly is to be gained by a self appointed governing body - The FRA surely has no mandate to either enforce rule changes or exclude non members from events that are in reality run by hard working groups of volunteers?

If there was no governing body at all, the sport would probably fall into disarray; people would build to different rules from others and when it came to fighting, some of them would be at a disadvantage to others because of a lack of set rules to follow. Having a set of definite rules decided by people who are devoted to the sport is a major advantage as it allows everyone to compete on an equal footing.

Perhaps the only part of the above statement I would agree with is the part about excluding non-members; IMO as long as they follow the rules of the event then there shouldnt be a problem but as I said I am not yet registered with a governing body of any sort so I cant properly comment on this particular topic. The fee may seem outrageous to some people as the FRA do not organise events- therefore what do they need the money for. If it is being re-invested to make the sport flourish more then fair enough, but as Ive just said, I dont believe that I am involved enough or affected enough by this to agree or disagree with it. The advantage of making people register as members lets the governing body see how many people are still keeping in the sport and allow them to see if they need to strengthen any promotions to attarct new members.

I apologise if any of these comments offend or disagree with anyone but I am only telling it as I see it.

Regards
Jamie

[bobblebot2]

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I dont see why if people are not members of the FRA they cannot take part in events, there is no way I am signing up till the FRA actually does something that I can clearly see, because, as yet I can see no benefit in signing up.
The FRA is promising that 2005 with be a great year for them and the sport - lets hope so.

Mike
http://www.bobblebot.co.ukhttp://www.bobblebot.co.uk

[RogueTwoRobots]

Something to think about.

And I forgot to add - I prefer the weight limit at 12kg as it is.

Jamie

[m2xt]

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Geoff

This sounds like a U turn to me. Your original post stated Any possable changes to the weight limit are due to be discussed at the next FRA committee meeting, due to take place on 12/02/05.
We will let you all know the outcome shortly afterwards.
If you want your views on this subject to be taken into account, please contact your regional rep before the meeting.

This sounds like the membership have one shot to have their say before you (the FRA) advise the outcome. Perhaps in future, the FRA could choose its words more carefully and clearly identify what is discussion and what is a motion to change rules.

If there was any doubt, I am a 2 and the UKRG will be staying at 12kg.

Paul

[woody]

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My opinion ......option 2.

[psychostorm]

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quote:

it was 12kg from the start so why change it. - Mr Stu

quote:

When Robot Wars started in england they need to revise the weight classes to fit with the metric system. So you changed the weight class, not them or us. - Daniel Kerrison

If http://www.open.org/~joerger/whowon.html>

[ewan]

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If this is correct, youre both wrong.

Yup, twas 11.4

[psychostorm]

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quote:

the RFL brought the weight limt up in 2003 as visible here to make a sequencial pattern of weight in pounds. - Myself.

quote:

Exactly as the 12.5KG is being debated on this very thread. - Myself

Im hardly one to preach about mistakes as this post will entail. All of the RFL weight catergories dont have a sequencial pattern, just some. Making Exactly a wrong statement. I meant to say a more sequencial pattern of weights

What a pedantic fart I am.

Also is there any chance the FRA may put up a page similar to that on the first link? It looks quite handy, in my books, as a reference to the history of robot combat.

Now Id better go give someone else a word in edgeways before I get kicked off the forum...

[geoff]

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Paul,
Thanks for the constructive criticism.
I fully accept that the wording of my original post was, on reflection, not good. I can quite easily see how it could have been taken as you describe. I hope that my subsequent post has cleared up any misunderstanding.

[grant_ploughbot]

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I didnt find your post misleading, just the general atmosphere of the thread makes it feel that way!
Just wondering, it is said that if roboteers have any questions or points to be put across then they should contact their reps to bring it up in meetings, but what about weight class rep voting etc? i know this must go on in the commitee otherwise there would not be any, but can the general roboteers vote as they are the ones it counts for. Or do they have to speak to thier local reps to mention who they would like and why? Also if there is someone elected for a weight class rep that us general roboteers do not agree with, or do not think that they are the best outthere for the job can we vote for someone else to take over?
Sorry about al the questions but i hear small things and cant work out how its done, it all seems to be kept quiet from the public when i thinks its us that should have the main decision.

Thanks
Grant

[team_ireland]

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Which events are classed as falling under the FRA? To be honest the FRA has yet to sucessfully promote an event in its own right as far as I know.

Tim not to get on your case but if you look on the fra home page under the about us page and FAQ you will find this quote:

Q. Are the FRA building an arena?
A. No, the FRA is not an event organiser. It does however encourage organisers to work together and share resources.

I believe this is why the fra does not hold events.

[big_nipper]

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Tim, who do you think setup this forum and keep it running.

Self Apointed Govening body: Think you will find elections every year for all places in the FRA.

Block Voting: how do you think you are represented in this countrys government, by 1 vote from your elected MP.

[tim_jones]

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Tim not to get on your case but if you look on the fra home page under the about us page and FAQ you will find this quote:

Q. Are the FRA building an arena?
A. No, the FRA is not an event organiser. It does however encourage organisers to work together and share resources.

I believe this is why the fra does not hold events.

My question related to what Daniel refered to as events that fall under the FRA when stating that non-members couldnt enter these. We all know the FRA does not hold/run events, this left me wondering what are classed as an events that fall under the FRA

Does this include RR and BTP events or is it simply the case that event organisers can choose to run their events under the rules of the FRAwithout requiring participants to be members of the FRA?

Regards

Tim Jones

[tim_jones]

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Tim, who do you think setup this forum and keep it running.

Maybe not the best thing to say to someone who is no great fan of online forums a and finds email lists and newsgroups a far more user friendly means of debate

Self Apointed Govening body: Think you will find elections every year for all places in the FRA.

A move to be welcomed and perhaps any major changes should be delayed until after any such election has taken place?

Block Voting: how do you think you are represented in this countrys government, by 1 vote from your elected MP.

Now thats a risky comparision to draw the debate could go on forever and the potential for thread drift is astronomical

Government has an excellent minutes system in the form of Hansard. I can find out exactly what my MP did or didnt say in any debate that I am interested in over a cup of coffee less than 24 hours after the event!

By and large it manages a huge budget to the massive benefit of us all.

A wise MP also holds regular constituency surgeries.

But then again governmant also has the massive downside of the party whip shackling any potential for real free apolitical representation ;(


I think Ill go now, otherwise we could be here all night