Is this even worth fighting for?

[jamesb]

Is this even worth fighting for?

Ha ha, love it!
can you get a pic, Ive got to send that to ol potato head...

The Razer arguement has been done to death, so Ill try one more time to get a point accross, then quit forever.

Imagine you are a supermodel (behave...) you have been offered a fight by Jordan, and would love to kick her butt, but you have a fasion show every week and you cant show up with a broken nose. What do you do? If Jordan agreed to pay your loss of earning if she gets a lucky punch in, Im sure you go for it, but if not, who pays the rent? You are not obliged to fight her, but youd like to.

Is is wrong to risk your livelyhood, and the rent, just to have a bit of violent fun?

there we go, final attempt, hope its clear.

[anukhet]

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Ill smile sweetly and ask him - this guy has a beard but I thought I saw Ian nudie-faced lately.... now wheres my camera?
Anyway I remember that you started this debate

[maddox]

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The problem,is that Razer started out as fighter. Got the advertisement as a fighter.But earns better by drilling holes in cardboard, because the managment says so.

This sounds almost like the spinner-non spinner arguments. Almost nobody likes to find there machine in bits after a fight,so in most cases, non limited weapons are not even in the fun part of the hobby.

But Hey, we cant force a boxer turned ballerina to fight again.

[babeth]

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I second that Mario.
James, following the logic of your explanation... Razer started as a boxer, won a lot of fights, sat at the top of the world, and now refuses to fight because he would lose his lucrative contracts on the catwalk and in beauty contests. Silly isnt it ?
Unfortunatly it is not really like that and there is a lot more stuff involved. You want to quit the discussion, fine. I want to quit the discussion too... with saying this: Razer stopped participating (who knows forever) and ranting about championships being obsolete by his absence are ridiculous. Many a champ has stepped down at the height of his career in order not to be forgotten as that old bloke who keeps losing but instead to be remembered as the champ of the golden old days. No matter what the team of Razer does or want to do, allow them the honor of being the champ of the golden old days and stop whining. Give the new kids on the block their chance to shine !

[jamesb]

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You should read the above posts before acusing me of whining.

This thread, as I explained above, was a lighthearted dig in the ribs for the current (deserved) champ as I know how this subject hits a nerve.

People have taken me seriously, so I stated it was a joke, people continued to take me seriously, so I went along with it by responding, and people are STILL taking me seriously.

For the final time....... it was a joke!!!!

God! I hope people dont do this to Mikey Schumacher when he goes, it wouldnt be fair to call him a wimp for not continuing to race once hes retired.

[babeth]

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I was not targeting you specificly, but a joke is only funny when told once - after that it becomes a nuisance. There have been so many discussions on Razers no-show in the past 7 months on this and the other forum that some people are simply fed up with it.

Now... which of the robots who participate in this World Championship could be regarded as possible winners ?

[jamesb]

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Napalm?

[ian_razer]

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Before S7 I did a lot of research, a lot of my time was taken on the phone to Steve Carsey, to-ing and fro-ing.
As a high profile team I felt it finally layed upon us to put it all on the line, FOR A BETTER FUTURE FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
I could see, as well as Steve, that if Things did not reach a critical mass again then we were all in for the arrival of the end of our beloved RW.
Mentorn played a very cool business line, we nearly pulled it off.
Back ground conversations go on, not even the greatest gossips know the whole story or ever will. I dont discuss everything.
A few of us stood very strong, and painfully bit our lip as the show went ahead. We heard the BS gossip that was flying around, and the people fuelling it..........judge their caracter if you will.
Simon and I have had to Step up to the Mark on many occasions,and weve stood strong, here and in the U.S.
We are proud of our achievements and respect whole heartedly the achievements of others.

The picture and story is a very complex one, never try to genralise, it misrepresents and doesnt do the parties involved, the justice they deserve.

Heres to happier days where we all have a dam good battle, like nothing better .

Ian...........Razer

[shredderteam]

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Ahh..
The official line as such...
Bout damn time, even if it was a bit cryptic

Sam

[storm]

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Ian, great to hear from you to set the record straight ! There certainly has been much gossip, and I for one apologise if I got the story wrong. You didnt want to stand alongside the likes of Tornado, Bulldog etc (and us) when we made a stand so; I guess I assumed this was about your own financial position rather than the communities. My apologies.

Surley though non-appearance at Series 7 doesnt meant the end of the Razer team though - trying to argue for better conditions in RW doesnt stop you from doing what Team Razer is about..... Fighting Robots !

Dont melt out on us guys with a message like Memories from the Glory Years on your website. Youll have to excuse some of us if that sounds like a team in their twilight years rather than one thats going strong :sad:

Ed
http://www.stormrobot.comhttp://www.stormrobot.com

[anukhet]

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Igor look - the monster - it lives!!!!

Only kidding Ian .....anyway I see it as a wind up by JB. The worth of the World Championships is a pointless argument but that aside, I dont speak for the biggest Razer fan, I speak for probably the smallest and Im getting tired of explaining to him that Razer wont be here, there or anywhere and, really, I still dont know why.
I agree with Ed - RW isnt roboteering and its demise will be a setback - not the end.
Even if you come to event with Razer and just stand there looking pretty (?!) youll be showing your solidarity with those whove been supporting the sport on both sides of the fence.

[spinnerboy]

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im sure there was a few robot teams who decided to boycott at one stage but razer were not interested in going along with it.

So looking at ians post he seems to be saying he did it for the Greater Good in so many words so why not stick with the other teams who wanted to boycott to make a real strong stand.

or am i just misreading his rather cryptic post.

[ian_razer]

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If your talking about this years stand with Tornado, Bulldog and storm...........If you talk to Mr Kane youll get the whole picture on that situation.
I was informed that the powers that be told some rather dodgy lines, informing other parties that we had agreed to go in 7 and the world, when we absolutly did not.
This is what broke the group and stopped it holding together.
Come on, Stop tying our stand to financial.
There is a much bigger picture, I know money is a powerful system, but dont let it cloud over the rest of the story which contains a whole lot of other more personal issues which at the end of the day carry a lot further.

[shredderteam]

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Ian

I dont want to see another row here, but if you were in the group that stood to be counted Im a monkey!

There was a very public posting in several places from all the teams involved, you were never even mentioned, and you were noticeably very very quiet over the whole issue..

I know for a fact that you were invited.. very specifically to join the group being one of the names that it was felt would carry some weight..
From what I know, you refused!

I dont think financials is a bad reason... but at least be honest about it..

Sam

[anukhet]

Is this even worth fighting for?

Theres plenty I could say about this state of affairs - but not here.