Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

[john]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

from what i could see from the 1st min of the video storm wasnt rly self righting they were just getting flipped from the arena flipper

which should take away points? as ur meant to miss that

[robotwars]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

I fancy joining in the healthy debate as I remember this fight well and was in the discussion with Stu ( the nasty judge ) about the decision.

When there is a controversial decision he always asks me for an independent viewpoint. Although people don€™t see me, im always watching when required!

Ive just watched the fight again, and I stand by my viewpoint at the time, I think Storm 2 should have won.

Merlin appeared to be running very slow from the start compared to normal, while you cant award points for damage, overall it has to be taken into acocunt, maybe it had suffered from a previous fight, I think it had just fought Terrorhurtz so it could be excused.

Storm 2 was a lot more agile, and showed a lot more aggression throughout the whole fight€¦. Does flipping a robot which can both run upside down, and self right, gain you points, I€™m not sure it does, and if it does it can€™t score that many points.

So on pure aggression I would give it to Storm 2.

I remember the conversation about the decision with Stu at the time, as his face was a picture of shock and horror as to who should win€¦., he listened to my point and then I left him to make his mind up, to my surprise he gave it to Merlin!..

I€™ve been a judge before and get out of it while I can, now Stu does it thank god, and if anyone things it€™s a hard job, multiply your thoughts by 100€¦ this year, at some of the 2007 events we have had to go to a recording before getting a decision so the judge can watch again as fights have been that close !!!

My 2 cents !!

John
http://www.RoamingRobots.co.ukwww.RoamingRobots.co.uk

[blazerbotics]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

OK, to clear a few things up;

Merlin Vs Storm 2

This is one of the best fights we have had, and the result could of easily gone either way. Merlin is always going to seen slow compared to storm (as do most), also in the fight before we suffered a battery failure, so we were running this fight with a very unbalanced setup with 2 packs fairly flat even before the fight, this could of been a factor in its speed. Storm only got a couple of good slams on us, we got numerous flips on him. We nearly had him OOTA twice during the fight, when he was stacked normally we would leave them in a comp but we played it for the crowd and tried for the OOTA, also Storm had gone out in the fight before by being stacked (also lost the UK champs this way), so we thought we would give him a break . Storm got flipped by the arena flipper several times as well, this could also go against him. The part when we sat in the middle of the arena was due to the floor, we were unable to move away as the flipper tip jammed under floor panels. The smoke at the end was caused by a loose wire causing high resistance and causing the cable insulation to get hot and smoke, the cable was fine (and is still in the machine), the reason for the over reaction and fire extinguishers was i thought it might be the NiCads due them being unbalanced.

Merlin Vs Iron Awe

We had suffered alot of damage in the previous fight against THZ, and only had a small amount of time to fix it, the arm had been badly bent and would not retract fully after the fist flip, meaning we lost our ground clearance. As for turning sideways on, most drivers will make one mistake during a fight, it all depends on if the other machine takes advantage of it, unlucky for us Iron Awe managed to get a flip on us. It was during the winter tour semi against I.A. that our flipper failed (a tiny wire that supplies the power for the valves had broken).

Most close decisions are always controversial, as it all comes down to opinion on what somebody defines as aggression, style, control and damage.

[tom_kane]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

€˜Does flipping a robot which can both run upside down, and self right, gain you points, I€™m not sure it does,€™

I disagree, if what you say is true Jonno, then slamming a thick hardox robot into the area wall (essentially not doing anything to Merlin) then should points be awarded to storm 2 as Merlin can take the slamming.

I haven€™t explained this very well but im sure you get the picture, if not, call me, yea?

Sweet

Tom

[paulc]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

I admit that judging a fight is one of the toughest jobs - its rpobably harder than driving the damn machines.

I also say that I was a bit stunned when Merlin won, as the hostess said that the decision was based on aggrssion, according to Jonno. Then we waited for a bit, until she called out Merlins name. I was stunned.

And I say, when the audience booed, I felt sorry for Mr Stu, as he held his head in his hands. Ive never heard so much booing in all my life - and Ive been to football matches .

All respect to Mr Stu for his services to RR, but the fact there is only 1 judge sorts of fixs it in a psychological sense of the word.

[robotwars]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

Ah but tom me old mucka....

does kan opener get points for squashing rippers armour, it does it time after time, and theres not any damage caused, it bounces back into shape....

Robots can only take so much before something eventually come loose... or breaks, we see this with terrorhurtz, even it its hitting a hardox box, you just know its screwing the insides up with the shock !

John

[paulc]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

Sorry, since Ive seen Alans message, Id like to say something.

I was actually at Colchester for the Easter Rumble semis, and I might say that you drove brilliantly in the fight, espeacially getting out THZ in the final 3 seconds - I say to my friends and family that it was one of the best pieces of fighting ever!

[robotwars]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

paul, are you offering your services?

john

[paulc]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

Well Ive got nothing better to do
And I could see all the fights!.

And I thought I would have nothing to do for my birthday.

[tom_kane]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

Jonno, how do you know that flipping storm 2 isn€™t damaging it and screwing the insides up with the shock. Yes Kan-opener gets points for crushing, yes THZ gets points for whacking, yes storm 2 gets points for smacking AND yes, Merlin gets points for flipping. Because something eventually come loose... or breaks.

Isn€™t that cleaver quoting, ive used your evidence against you!

Much love
(Happy) Tom

P.s. Im going out so ill join start the mass-debate up again tomorrow/ join in

[paulc]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

It depends on how much proofing Storm 2 has to defend it from the shock of getting flipped.

And also, it took no damage from Kronic in 2005. How the *&^%$£! is Merlin going to hurt it.

(Actually Jonno, take me up on that offer of being a judge)

[Guest]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

I remember in exeter(i was in crowd).

I think it was a four way melee fight and two of the robots where nightmare and constricter.

Nightmare flipped it a few times then constricter got stuck on top of nightmare and it went to the judges.

They gave it to constricter.........WRONG!!!

Definitly nightmare won!

(Message edited by Dan Boulton on October 25, 2007)

[blazerbotics]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

How come its all my bots being picked on :sad:

[big_nipper]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

Talking about Merlin...You even lost to Big Nipper at Magna when we got Mute into the pit, Merlin got behind us and pushed us into the pit as well, then while Merlin was wasting its gas doing its victory spin, Mute flipped us out and we went on to win...Maybe the Storm one was to make up for that

[blazerbotics]

Storm 2 v terrorhurtz

Ah well, you win some, you loose some, just Big Nipper tends to be better at the first one!