How could I Improve pt 2

[joey_picus]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Hey Danny, good to see you back

I've had an (admittedly very quick) look at your robots on ZED and, being completely honest, I don't really think they need much or indeed any modification to reach the 'standard' of today, things haven't really changed a great deal (a lot of the stranger rambling detailed sections in my stats are due to some idea I've got which might make the robot better) and although other vapourboteers will have their own criteria, I personally wouldn't have any problem with any of them.

[andrewj]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Hey Dan, welcome back! I haven't got much time to check all your stats at the moment, but from what I remember (and a quick glance) they're fine. The standards haven't really changed much, but the expectations vary from writer to writer. If you want to add a bit more detail in, have a look at some of the other stats on ZED for inspiration.

[eene]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Guess this is the wrong thread, but I'm going to be 16 tommorow. Thought I should mention

[death robotics]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Im planning for the new year and im asking if there is any way i can improve my new bot

Shield of Gondolin
Shape: Storm 2, a box with wedges on the front and sides, but its swapped, as the flat back is now the front
Colour: Black, with blood spattered red all over, and a picture of a dragon on the baseplate
Dimensions: Height 25cm Width: 65cm Length: 105cm without disc
Drive: 4x 24v S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 7x 3000mAh NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 2 Storm 2 style wheels situated at the back were the original front wedge went
Armour: 3.2mm Hardox
Speed: 12mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at the back 5mm elsewhere
Weapon: 259 style flywheel with 4 teeth on it powered by a 25.9v S28-400 Magmotor at 4000rpm
Shrimech: Disc will pop it back over
Strength: Bloody good weapon
Weakness: Dunno
BIO: A new design for 2011
Win/loss ratio: N/A

All advice welcome

[kodster]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Lian - overweight with all those motors, and you're optimistic about the srimech, methinks

For myself, though, I want to overhaul most of my team this coming year, so I wonder what you people think of my robots. I personally have been thinking of retiring Wedginator, Shadow Zone, and Jinx (the latter having no real place anymore) because they seem a bit stale nowadays and nothing I think of can really freshen them up, but you may have some things to say.

http://teamzlayerz.proboards.com/index. ... avyweights

Constructive criticism most appreciated.

[Guest]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

I'm thinking similarly Kody, hoping to make more an impact here in 2011, having been absent for most of this year :/

If anyone has time on their hands feel free to go over some my vapours and post any mistakes. I'd like to delete any that haven't competed/aren't currently entered into tournaments, they're just clogging up space.

[majinb]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Hahahaha, oh good lord Lian, Kody and Lewis, I too wish to do SOMETHING with my squad in 2010, how motivating.

Okay, first things first, Lian, Kody MIGHT be right about the weight, I can't be sure without a weight check. One way or another, I think you could do with 2 motors powering 2 wheels, rather than 4. This robot doesnt exactly spell rammer to me, but if you do intend this robot to be a rammer, I'd stick with the 4 motors, give it 4 wheels instead of 2 and lose weight somewhere else (lighter armour in places? a lesser disc?).

The disc-srimech? I know what your idea is, I know how it works in theory, and I even think that, you know, it would work, X out of 10 times, where X is a number higher than 0, yet lower than 10.
I just can't see it being the most secure way to self right.

Okay, Kody, Lewis, your whole squads? I will have a look, but not tonight. What I CAN say Kody... Jinx, I agree there, Shadow Zone and Wedginator, I disagree, please keep them

[death robotics]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Hahahaha, oh good lord Lian, Kody and Lewis, I too wish to do SOMETHING with my squad in 2010, how motivating.

Okay, first things first, Lian, Kody MIGHT be right about the weight, I can't be sure without a weight check. One way or another, I think you could do with 2 motors powering 2 wheels, rather than 4. This robot doesnt exactly spell rammer to me, but if you do intend this robot to be a rammer, I'd stick with the 4 motors, give it 4 wheels instead of 2 and lose weight somewhere else (lighter armour in places? a lesser disc?).

The disc-srimech? I know what your idea is, I know how it works in theory, and I even think that, you know, it would work, X out of 10 times, where X is a number higher than 0, yet lower than 10.
I just can't see it being the most secure way to self right.

I'll sort out the batteries ASAP, also this machine was not planned to be a rammer, it was planned so i have a good
spinner, eh, i'll remove the spinner *Plots new weapon*

I will take on board the 4 wheels. thanks Martijn

[death robotics]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Right, ive lowered the weight and swapped the front to the original end, but i wanted a weapon

here it is, hope the weapons ok

Shield of Gondolin
Shape: Storm 2, a box with wedges on the front and sides,
Colour: Black, with blood spattered red all over, and a picture of a dragon on the baseplate
Dimensions: Height 25cm Width: 65cm Length: 105cm
Drive: 4x 24v S28-400 Magmotors, powered by 5x 3000mAh NiCad Battlepacks.
Locomotion: 4 Storm 2 style wheels
Armour: 6mm titanium
Speed: 12mph
Ground Clearance: 0mm at the back 5mm elsewhere
Weapon:An Achilles style rear-hinged flipper,which powered by a 1000pi 2.5kg C02 tank, with 2 70mm bore 300mm stroke rams which power the flipper.
Scrimech: The flipper of course
Strength: Powerful weapon
Weakness: Dunno
BIO: A new design for 2011
Win/loss ratio: N/A

Also, Kody should know where the name Gondolin originates from

[majinb]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Mind you Lian, that I never meant that your robot should become a rammer, but that instead I encouraged you to chose between making it a rammer, or making it a spinner, as in its current state it was a bit of both and that, I think, made it overweight.

If you go with spinner, ditch 2 of the motors (from the original design) because you would not need all that power, if you go with rammer, than the bot you just showed us looks solid, what does everyone else think?

[Guest]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Looks great to me, but I'd like just a little information on the placing of the flipper, where's it hinged/is it an arm or does the whole shell rise up etc?

[team_orr]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Hexachordal Tea

Weight: 100kg
Colour: blue with airbrushed wight flames down the sides
Shape: box with wedges on all sides, weapon rotates above the body similar to hazard from Battlebots
Dimensions L/W/H: 0.9 x 0.6 x 0.25
Armor: entire body/chassis is 4.2mm hardox, there is also urethane rubber padding in strategic places to help prevent shock damage
Power: 36v a123
Drive: 4 bosch 750€™s drive 4 custom stainless steel, vulcanized wheels, which are set inside the body.
Speed: 15mph max but tends to drive slower
weapon: on top of the robot there is a 15kg, 40mm hardox, overhead bar spinner similar to Hazard, it is powered by a Lem130 on 36v, it spins at 1500rpm giving out a whopping 75kj of energy. towards the end of the bar there is a bend, allowing the bar to hit even the lowest of opponents, with complete 360 degrees coverage defending me from all angles.
turning circle: zero
ground clearance: 0.8cm under the bar, 1.2cm under the robot

any improvments etc fire away :-)

[andrewj]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Lian: I would go back to the original spinner design. Make it four-wheel drive, but just use two Magmotors to power them.

Kody: I can understand getting rid of Jinx (because you have Intriguality), but I would keep Wedginator X and Shadow Zone Forever, personally. Wedginator X in particular needs to have a chance to battle more. However, you do have a lot of heavyweights, and many of them will probably not get much of a chance to battle, so perhaps you could get rid of a few.

Jack: Similar situation with Shield of Gondolin here - the overkill drive system isn't really needed and puts the robot overweight. I would use just two Bosch 750s @ 24v for drive. Keep it four-wheel drive, though. I think a 40mm thick Hardox bar of that size could weigh more than 15kgs. Make the bar (and maybe the armour) a bit thinner, tone the KJ output down a bit, and you have a good design.

Lewis & Marti: I would also like to bring some new designs through in 2011, this sounds promising!

[joey_picus]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

I can't really add much to what Andy's said there although one thing I might add is that a few other motors, such as Magmotors and LEMs, are for their power actually lighter than the Bosches - check this sort of still relevant table I did a while ago for figures - and if you're really stuck for weight switching to them may help lose a kilogram or two.

Really for four wheel drive you don't need four motors - the only recent heavyweight machine I can think of that's used four motors is Mr. Nasty, which though powerful had to be very compact and forego active weapons to use that (and it was never particularly successful in competition).

I'm hoping to trim my team down slightly and possibly update a few vapourbots in 2011 myself - if everyone else's doing so I might as well join in, and in a few cases it's long overdue

[kodster]

Re: How could I Improve pt 2

Andy - I dunno, I don't feel there's much I can do with Wedginator or Shadow Zone, and they seem to be lacking a bit in their current forms. :/ But I may ditch Troubloon, it's not had much success. Jinx too, and Corona as well.

I'll have a think on this and decide which ones to send to the retirement home on New Year's Eve. :/