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[aliboy]

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or... check this fan out at the bottom http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Delta_Fans_58.htmlhttp://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...a_Fans_58.html is that too noisy and would it make radio interference

[aliboy]

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steve that gives me an idea if i use a fan with a LED would that count as a saftey power light LED?

[typhoon_driver]

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I was thinking the same thing alister.

If it was to operate in exactly the same way, would it count?

I think that this is a question for the LED thread!

[stu]

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LOL dont get them started in that thread. LOL!

Long as its clearly visable, i see no reason why it wont be allowed.

Mr Stu

[jim]

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Just be sure to get one of the LED fans - the cold cathode versions generate high voltages internally, so would technically be against the rules.

[geoff]

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Hang on there Stu,
Im not sure it would be OK. The cathode type are definatly a no-no. But the LED type may be OK If the LEDs were in the frame (not the blades) of the fan, a contrasting colour and afixed to the outside of the robot. (But very vunerable!!!) If the fan were mounted inside the robot and say visable through a grill then it would fall foul of rule 6.8 that states that a non-filament light must be SURFACE MOUNTED.
I would fail any machine that had an LED fan that was anything other than surface mounted.
(I must admit, they do look very cool though!!)

[stu]

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Dont hang on me.

So does that Mean that M2 has failed then coz he has his LED clusters under 8mm Polycarb. Well the old M2 that was, not sure about the new M2. Though i think hes having poly on the top back on the new one and may do the same.

So if the LED fan is behind some polycarb, hmmmm - how picky are things going to get?

Mr Stu

[geoff]

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Stu, you aint gonna get much cooling air flow through a poly panel!!! But you cant argue that the rules state surface mounted.
I guess that someone would have to build one and turn up at an event with it. The builder, event organiser and the FRA could then argue it out at the time.

[stu]

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Drill holes in the polycarb pannel?
Also who says it has to be mounted onto the poly pannel, long as u can clearly see it through the pannel? But it also goes back to what M2 has done which you have chose to ignore above - he has his LEDs behind polycarb pannel - which IMHO - its safer and more relaiable - less prone to damage if hes behind the polycarb pannel than surface mounted - correct???

I guess that someone would have to build one and turn up at an event with it, then the builder, event organiser and the FRA could argue it out at the time. - Already happened and it passed, with flying colours

Mr Stu

[geoff]

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Good argument Stu, But as the build rules stand at this moment they clearly state surface mounted and as such that is exactly how I would apply them. In view of the above, maybe the wording needs to be ammended. Something like clearly visible may be better. This would cover this fan business (and keep M2 happy!) Why dont you bring it up at the next meeting and ask the FRA to ammend rule 6.8. You would have my support, after all the rules have to stay ahead of developments.

[stu]

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Very true. Will do Geoff matey.

Mr Stu

[m2xt]

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Fortunately event organisers do not have to follow FRA rules which allows for common sense to prevail at tech checks. M2 as will M2XT uses a 2500mcd LED cluster immediately behind 10mm poly, this is far superior to for example, a vulnerable 40mcd LED surface mounted according to the FRA rules. Im with Stu on this one

Even the Zeobots have a light to comply with this questionable rule and they are surface mounted 40mcd.

Note to self, dont get wound up over power lights again.

Paul

[stu]

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Na you wont Paul - coz your with me on this one, im not on the other side to get you wound up Hehe.

But this really is a sticky one.
IF the FRA rules state Have power light on robot which is visable then people are going to have flashing leds, neon lights, mutlicolours, ask questions what type, ask question how big etc, so thats why the FRA has been more accurate of a type of LED to use, these LED surface mounted ones, like the yellow one on Technbots. Its just going to be an on going thing to talk aobut this. lol

Anyway - back to IBCs - they have a small Yellow LED fitted to them, will it be ok if we mount it inside our robots and you can cleary see it through the polycarb pannel - will that be ok for a power light?

Mr Stu

[knightrous]

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Our 4 IBCs have super bright blue LEDs Can use them as torches in the dark.

Brett changed the LED color in the second version of the IBC since he got sick of being blinded when working on IBC with power in them

[storm]

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Seem to remember that surface mounted only ended up being in the wording so people didnt say

Roboteer - Yes Ive got a power light

Tech Checker - Where is it

Roboteer - Inside, under this panel, behind the batteries and just next to the bottle

I dont believe the intention was to suggest that putting a piece of clear polycarbonate over the light was against the rules.

Ed
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