Using Helium to reduce your weight!

[PJ-27]

Re: Using Helium to reduce your weight!

Lol magnets can't change the laws of physics All that changes is that the spinner isn't thrown across the arena.

It was the throwing I was referring too, which the magnet help stop. But yeh, the full impact force then isn't dissipated by movement of the spinner.

[psychostorm]

Re: Using Helium to reduce your weight!

Can't anyone else see this is going to kill most originality
dead?

If the spinners get magnets, they will be able to exert a greater percentage of force into its opponents. The response will no doubt be heavier weaponless armoured boxes.

Then you will have armoured Rambots sticking themselves to the floor, spinners sticking themselves to the floor & robots too tall for either to hit. A situation that could only favour the spinners in the long run.

Fast track to US combat.

I'm not against magnets - I intend on building an axe myself so a magnetwould come handy in the long run. Just saying.

[craig_colliass]

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I would say the thing that influences design in robots is not so much the rule set, as the arena design.
If the arena floor is made from a stainless steel that is none magnetic, no robots would have magnets fitted as the other arenas have wooden floors,
If the arena had higher sides the flippers would not reign supreme! You get the idea, also with regard to spinners what was the highest they got last year at the champs I think it was 4th. and that was the old drum roll bonner I think that's it's name.
If we end up with armour boxes winning everything, it is down to the EOs to do something about the environment were the fights take place, I'm sure they will keep a handle on this, no one wants boring fights.

[xtreme]

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The only people that will be using magnets effectively are the people that can build good enough robots to take the forces the magnets put on there own machine and the people that complain will be the ones that can't build a good enough machine. Robots have to evolve or it's going to get very boring. Say 540 wins the uk champs it then forces people to find a way to try beat a robot that effectively weighs 50kg once it's in the arena. Once you get under a robot with a magnet for every 1mm you get it's magnet away from the floor it dramatically reduces the pull the magnet has on the floor, if you manage to flip it upside down it's just a regular 13kg robot.

[typhoon_driver]

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Craig, it was 3rd place and it was called boner

[craig_colliass]

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Oops

[xtreme]

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We have to get a spinner on the podium again make it 3 years running

[widow_twanky]

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Can't anyone else see this is going to kill most originality
dead?

Understand what you're saying, just don't agree.

Had a similar discussion with Craig at Whitwick about limiting axes force and hardness of axe heads etc etc. It's really the same argument that the rules limit the sizes and extent of what you can use. Big magnet, big weight, cannot use that weight elsewhere so the power is reduced of the active weapon or the armour has to be weaker etc etc. Our discussion was about Thor and how bigger ram and harder axe head meant dealing with bigger forces in the robot. Did smile next day when thors axe arm broke but resisted the temptation to say 'told you so' .

I disagree with being prescriptive with the rules. It's not always the case that the best robot wins. I wouldn't put Team Shocks robots in the precision engineering/massive flipper category (well, until Will gets that new one working with the stupid sized ram in it) BUT they have an effective weapon and are driven very well same with Tiny Toon really, by all accounts it should be a sitting duck for a big flipper like beauty 2 yet it won the uk champs because of some excellent driving. 360 on the other hand is an awesome robot which is constantly pushing the boudaries of what we do. As a result something breaks quite often in it but it's still fantastic to see it. Now, knowing that, what do you do? Limit the people who push the boudaries and spend the money on developing stuff like brushless spinners so everyone else can copy? Go out and practice driving in the knowledge that with a half decent robot you have a chance of taking home the uk championship? or do you whine about magnets?

[Mouldy]

Re: Using Helium to reduce your weight!

Can't anyone else see this is going to kill most originality
dead?

360 on the other hand is an awesome robot which is constantly pushing the boudaries of what we do. As a result something breaks quite often in it but it's still fantastic to see it. Now, knowing that, what do you do? Limit the people who push the boudaries and spend the money on developing stuff like brushless spinners so everyone else can copy? Go out and practice driving in the knowledge that with a half decent robot you have a chance of taking home the uk championship? or do you whine about magnets?

Couldnt agree more...

I love how when i build something new to try and make things a bit more interesting someone always moans about it ...

Basically ceri... your saying by making a robot with a new type of technology in it im making robots LESS diverse? Hmm...

Just like i did by bringing brushless into spinner technology.... Bringing in a complete new generation of spinners, making the competition much tougher...

To be honest i dont care about anyones opinion, bar the EOs I dont see the point in making a robot unless its going to push the boundarys.... 360 was in a leuge of its own when it came out... And i hope 540 does the same for pusher technology. Or would you prefer if i made a steel box with drill motors and sla's in it just to keep the technology level the same as it has been for the last 10 years?

[craig_colliass]

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I remember it different.
I thought we were discussing the amount of gas that flippers had and if this was limited we would have lp flippers that could flip lots of times and hp flippers that could get you OOTA but had limited flips.
but we could have discussed Thor too, I can't remember much now. But in the end you won the argument anyway

[widow_twanky]

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Just like i did by bringing brushless into spinner technology.... Bringing in a complete new generation of spinners, making the competition much tougher...

Just to stop your head getting too big there.............that driving comment was aimed at you

[Mouldy]

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you try driving it... dont think ud do half as well...

[widow_twanky]

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you try driving it... dont think ud do half as well...

HAHA!! Luke agrees with you on that one. For all the stuff we have I've never really driven anything bigger than an antweight. Apparently all I'm good for is pushing buttons when I'm told

[widow_twanky]

Re: Using Helium to reduce your weight!

I remember it different.
I thought we were discussing the amount of gas that flippers had and if this was limited we would have lp flippers that could flip lots of times and hp flippers that could get you OOTA but had limited flips.
but we could have discussed Thor too, I can't remember much now. But in the end you won the argument anyway

I seem to recall we discussed flippers, whether beer was better than lager, thor and axes and a load of other stuff. As for winning an argument I recall being sent to bed by the barman before we finished so that'd be classified as a draw

[xtreme]

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Enter a robot into uk champs made out of ply, windscreen wiper drive motors with wooden wheels with a bit of bike tyre tread screwed to them with servos and micro switches as the controller, bolt a sla in there and probbably hammer a nail through the front as a deadly ramming spike. Thats about as far as you can go with technology without being complained at. Than again the ramming spike might be pushing it abit.