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[dinowarrior]

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Yeah, it does.

Anyways, I dont think Ive posted anything relating to this. Well done to Storm 2 for winning. It must be a wonderful thing to walk away with.

Storm 2 has done a LOT in its 1 year on RW. I mean;

-Winners of the New Blood*
-16th Seed
-First Bot to ram a bot OOTA
-Second in UK Wars
-World Champions.

I saw Storm 2 at Debenham this year, with a very easy victory over Ewe 2.
Good luck for the future

*BTW, I still dont believe people think Storm 2 vs Mute was wrong.

Equal pushing, then Mute gets two good flips in, then loses...

Equal? THAT WASNT EQUAL! Storm 2 was bullying Mute all over the place! It was the one pushing Mute and it was ramming more as well. All Mute was doing was turning to use the wedge...thus PREVENTING the push, not pushing back. At the end, those 2 flips didnt matter, Strom 2 was WAY on top from where I was. Even if it WAS edited, Storm 2 was still pushing.

[team_ireland]

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Christopher

It was edited so as the audience at home would think that Storm 2 was well on top. It was a very very very even fight.

Regards
Ian

[dinowarrior]

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I know it was edited, and I know it WAS even, but then Storm 2 would still HAVE to had been pushing Mute around more in order to blank out the flips...thus the pushing cant have been equal.

[team_ireland]

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well about 99% of the people I have talked to say mute should have won.

[steve_c]

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quoteEqual? THAT WASNT EQUAL! Storm 2 was bullying Mute all over the place! It was the one pushing Mute and it was ramming more as well./quote

True. Similar to the truth that Storm 2 was bullying Typhoon all over the place.

[dinowarrior]

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Well, I cant really complain, as I knew Typhoon would win, but it DID seem a bit dodgy. It was correct, but only just.

Still, theres one fight Im surprised no one mentioned.

Razer vs Behemoth (WC1)

I watched it with my Dad once, and, on first viewing, he thought that Behemoth should have won. And from where Im standing, I agree. Behemoth had much more going on than Razer.

Anyone want their own opinions.

[blazerbotics]

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we watched it the other day on video. I agree that Behemoth won, surely razer were immobile for 30 seconds? Even if not, Behemoth easily won. It was also similar to when they fought in extreme, Behemoth were in total control for most of the fight but somehow Razer got the win.

[Guest]

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well, in wc1 behemoth was balancing razer on its side, and that doesent count as immobolising the oponnent, i think razer got the win for damage and style and maybe some aggresion in the beggining of the fight. on the other hand, behemoth was more controlled (facing its scopp towards razer all the time) and prety aggresive for the rest of the fight after it took damage from razer.

[fluppet]

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In WC1 (if Ive got the wrong fight here, ignore me) Razer was unable to self-right while over the flame pit because the self-righting relied on the arm being right at the limit, and it was extending through the grille in the floor (below the level of the wheels) so the self-righting angle wasnt reached. I presume it was freed by the house robots on the principle that the arena hazards arent designed to trap robots (in the same way that robots stuck under the angle grinders are freed), but maybe Im giving Mentorn the benefit of the doubt in their consistency. Razer was pretty much undamaged, but Behemoth had some big holes, mostly inflicted after Razer finally righted itself. Razer is *very* good at getting stuck on arena hazards: the flame grille vs Behemoth, the angle grinder vs Firestorm, the angle grinder vs Tornado, tail hooked under things on occasion... surprised its never been OOTAd, really.

In their other match, I gather Razer had overheating solenoid problems (or some such), and spent a lot of time running away after inflicting a little damage; they were eventually flipped just late enough that the fact they couldnt self-right didnt count against them (much to the annoyance of team Behemoth).

As for Storm 2 vs Mute in the New Blood final, thats one of the few Robot Wars fights I saw live (plus the others on that day, obviously). It was certainly hard to call, but, while Storm kept running into Mute, it certainly wasnt ramming it against the wall or anything. Since Storm was faster than Mute, its hard to see how Mute could do more to attack Storm than it was doing. Storms wedge was bent, meaning it had limited traction; paint (allegedly) was smoking off the rear wheels, and if the wedge was bent, it was (slightly) damaged. Mute had no apparent damage from where I was sitting. Id have given it, narrowly, to Storm on aggression (again, not by driving intent so much as by having the faster robot and therefore instigating the attacks), but thought if Mute gets a flip in, itll go the other way and, lo, it did.

It was a tight battle, and I wouldnt say it was as much a robbery as I gather Storm vs Typhoon was (even people not keen on Ed seem to disagree with the judges), but Id have given it the other way. Mind you, I wouldnt have given Mute the victory over Bulldog Breed (? - memorys going) or given Typhoon the win over Storm, so swings and roundabouts.

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[matty_haka]

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Judge Shred v Mute, not Bulldog Breed Andy.

[fluppet]

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Knew Id get that wrong, especially since I knew full well (if I thought about it) that BB lost to Exterminator. BB and JS have always reminded me of each other for some reason (even when BB had a full width flipper all the way up), even though I can clearly picture both of them. Its probably because theyre of at least vaguely similar vintage.

Anyway, sorry to the Judges for that factual incorrection (and thanks, Matty).

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[matty_haka]

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No problem. Strangely enough, I used to get them confused as well. I always got Cassius and Gravedigger confused as they were clones fo each other.

[fluppet]

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I think Cassius was probably famous enough for me that I didnt have that problem, although they were certainly similar robots. I doubt Gravedigger could self-right; was it hydraulic, or am I just having Big Cheese-induced delusions?

This is where I get to subvert yet another thread, although we were hardly on-topic to begin with. Im trying to remember which other robots I tend to get confused, but obviously theres a problem with that (if I remember both, I can usually sort them out). Mace and Chaos (1) spring to mind; for some reason Nemesis has been so blotted out of my memory by Diotoir that I tend to think of Napalm instead; I keep confusing Ground Hog with something too, but if I could remember what Id probably stop confusing it. I get confused about some of the US bots, but thats probably my age and the fact that all my tapes are in Singapore.

For some reason, on this forum, I keep nearly typing Tornado when I mean Typhoon - but I dont actually get the robots confused. :-)

JP on the other hand... poor Disc-o-Infernos period of fame, being called Hypnodisc (damn; I can cope with Razer, but I can never remember whether its a c or a k, and its probably more instructive to let Babeth rant at me about it than for me to look it up on-line) the whole time.

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[typhoon_driver]

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lol andrew your not the only one to make the tornado and typhoon mistake. CC made it himself in an interview just before the final (if i remember correctly)

[dinowarrior]

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No, in theory, Gravedigger COULD self-right.