22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

[terryc]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Marien has asked me to organise a couple of 8Ack sessions to take place toward the end of the contest.
RIAT will be heavies only but we should be able to getsome feather goal buttons built or adapted for this event.
Robots will need to be in blue and black or yellow and black. So that its easy to tell which clan their in.
Whos up for it?

[team_ireland]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Thanks Karoline.

I was actually more refering to this comment Just a quick reminder to everyone planing to attend the championships. Please remember that you should hold a valid E111 certificate for emergency medical treatment in Europe.

But I agree about them no longer being valid.

[leorcc]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

DRG Fight rules for the european championships.

Game

A game is held with a maximum 4 minutes. A game will be stopped early if 1 or several of the robots, depending on the game type, is/are no longer controllably mobile, or the circumstances can be no longer labeled as safe.

The game will start as the robots are placed at the spot in the arena appointed by the officials, and the participants stand on their marked place. After a clear start indication the 4 minutes commence.

If the robots get entangled without intention and can€™t get out of this situation themselves and it is not caused by electronic/mechanical failures, the game will be paused to release the robots from each other, whereupon the game will be resumed if all parties concerned agree with that. If this is not the case the match will be halted, and the decision will go to the judges.

The roboteers can stop the game themselves at any time by a predetermined method of surrender. This can be using a light and/or sound indicator, depending on of game type and what methods are available in the arena in question.

It is not permitted to engage your robot actively in the fighting with the remaining robots after your robot surrendered or was immobilized for more than 30 sec. Also the other participants are not allowed to inflict additional damage to the robot which has given up or marked immobile. This can lead to disqualification for the rest of the event and possibly also for a number of future events because of unsportsmanlike behavior, if the damage was intentional or disproportional.

If there is urgent damage (e.g. fire or an explosion) the game will be paused and the robot in question is removed as soon as possible and made safe outside the arena. Afterwards the game with the remaining robots will be resumed if all parties concerned agree with that. If this is not the case the match will be halted, and the decision will go to the judges.

If/when the 4 minutes have past, a clear signal will indicate this and the roboteers immediately must stop their robots at the point of where they are at that moment. Afterwards the decision will be taken by the jury. If the jury can not decide immediately, the jury may order the robots to demonstrate their robots mobility or take them out of the arena, where they may inspect the damage more closely. Afterwards the roboteers may take the robots to their benches, after they checked in there RC transmitters and removable link.


Judging of the fight

The game officials always have the final decision. After the fighting, a protest can be submitted, whereupon action can be undertaken at a later time.

Before the fighting the jury members must examine where there is already damage on the robot, so that these are not counted in the judging of the current fight. Scratches and paint damage do not count as damage but are indicated as cosmetic damage. Only structural damage is counted. In the fight, the criteria that count are damage, aggression, and the general impression of the control of the robot. A robot which retreats or backs out of the fight too much may result in deduction of points (the coward ness ruling).

Not attacking spinning stationary FBS robots does not count as coward ness and will not result in a deduction of points. Excessive FBS without actively engaging opponents will count as non aggressiveness and may result in deduction of points.

Mobility/controllability

If a robot is not able to move through the arena controlled manner it will be classed as uncontrollable. This can be checked by asking the roboteer to drive a figure 8 in the arena. If both robots become uncontrollable or immobile the win will be granted to the robot which was controllably mobile the longest. In case of clusterbots, if more than 50% of the cluster is uncontrollable or immobile win will be granted to the other robot.

Tactics

Robots can win by inflicting the most damage, getting the opponent in the pit, throwing the opponent out of the arena, or immobilizing the opponent.

Immobilizing

If the robot is not able to continue in the fight within 30 seconds, it will be marked as immobilized. This same ruling goes for getting out of the pits (30 sec max). Continuing the fight after these 30 sec can lead to disqualification for the rest of the event and possibly also for a number of future events because of unsportsmanlike behavior. After your robot is marked immobile, the jury or game officials will tell the teams in question. It is permitted to prevent another robot from getting mobile again (shoving the robot back in the pit for example) or to keep opponents off balance as part of the attack.

Overkill

Trying to demolish an opponent further, after they have been marked as immobilized, can lead to disqualification for the rest of the event and possibly also for a number of future events because of unsportsmanlike behavior. After disqualification the opponent will be awarded the victory and will go to the next round. Should the opponent not be able to continue, the opponent for the next match will automatically be awarded the victory (this is known as a €˜Byrun€™) depending on the game type. Immobility of the robot can be indicated by the jury, game control, and the team itself (`towel in the ring / surrender).

Hope to see you all at the championships in Amsterdam.

[storm]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Oooh, theres some controversial stuff there....

Not attacking spinning stationary FBS robots does not count as coward ness and will not result in a deduction of points...?

How does not attacking something that could damage you if you attack it not count as being a coward ? What about not attacking a stationary non-fbs, why is that different ?

and

In case of clusterbots, if more than 50% of the cluster is uncontrollable or immobile win will be granted to the other robot.

... meaning you have to immobilise both parts of a cluster to get the win !.... Interesting.... (goes off to design things....)

Ed
http://www.teamstorm.comhttp://www.teamstorm.com

[julian]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Whats the floor made of? Ply or MDF?

How are the middleweights going to fight? One three way is very quick but possibly the fairest. Will I need a second set of batteries (nomally I dont and a roll of bin bags suffices)

[mjm]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

It will not be MDF but a plywood.

Im a bit disapointed in just 3 middleweights; its not really a EC then, is it? There would be more competitors in 6 kg class.
What about 3 three-way figths with points scored (4,2 and 1)? Add them to an end result to get a champion.

[leorcc]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Not attacking spinning stationary FBS robots does not count as coward ness and will not result in a deduction of points...?

How does not attacking something that could damage you if you attack it not count as being a coward ? What about not attacking a stationary non-fbs, why is that different ?

This is intended for the FBS that have to spin in place cause they dont have any control over their robot while spinning. Just because the robot cant drive properly it is not justified for us to force the opponent to stick its nose in, the fight needs te come from both sides. Just like you dont have to drive on someones flipperarm if the flipper is stationary. The only difference is that the flipperarm is pointing in one direction (most of the time at least) and a FBS has a weapon 360 degrees around itself.

Regarding clusters: Yes, you would need to take out both clusters, but with 50% of your cluster gone you will be so far behind on points you will more than likely loose anyway unless you pull a serious rabbit out of the hat. Cause 50% gone means 50% damage.

[julian]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Marien, the problem I can see with that, as well as being immensely complicated is that battles would be very much more about survival. If you could total an opponent early on then you could win the competition easier. Likewise, if you leave the two opponents to have a go at each other in the first round, you could hope for one of them to destroy the other.

Ply floor? Well the spikes looked good in small scale tests but I worry about the solid wheels due to the extreme forces that IV puts them through. Neighbours who have watched my previous machines trundle around the cul de sac have had quite a shock seeing the new machine. Its not just a matter of going from 24v to 36v but new batteries and speedos. Id better get both sets of wheels ready.

http://www.richardsuk.f9.co.ukwww.richardsuk.f9.co.uk

[babeth]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Another travel advice:
People who enter the continent through Calais are advised that in France it is obligatory to have an orange vest with reflectors in your car, like the roadworks people wear but without sleeves.

Holding a mobile phone in your hand while driving is illegal in France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

In Belgium you face moderate to very large fines when committing a road law offence -like speeding, not wearing the seatbelt or being under the influence of intoxicating substances- which will be payable instantly, that means that if you do not have enough cash with you a police officer will escort you to the nearest money outlet. When your speeding is really high they can even seize your drivers license.
Be advised that the maximum traveling speed is:
50 kilometers/hour or 30 miles/hour in town,
70 to 90 kilometers/hour or 43 to 55 miles/hour outside town and
120 kilometers/hour or 74 miles/hour at highways,
unless otherwise indicated by roadsigns.
I advise you to print this out and keep it at hand. Speedlimits are more or less the same in France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

[mjm]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

The more or less bit could be expensive :-)
I trust that all drivers make themselves aware of the rules, no mater where they are going to or coming from.

[mjm]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Arrangements are going more or less as planned. The Game Extreme event is growing all the time. Now there will also be a DJ competition, whatever that may be :-)
Euro2005 will also be filmed for Dutch tv and maybe a Swiss documentary.

Ordering tickets for audience has been improved;
tickets for Robot Games / Game Extreme can be ordered at: http://www.game-extreme.nl/shopwww.game-extreme.nl/shop
In English, Dutch and German, Euro or Pound, via credit card, so it shouldnt be any problem.

What we now need are a couple more heavyweight entries. Not all of you that where so positive at the start of this thread have appplied yet, please do so as soon as possible.
We may be able to help out with transporting a few heavyweight robots. If transportation is your problem, please let us know.

We received a request to organise a tournament for 6 kg robots. Is there any interest in that here? Please let me know.

[Guest]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Entered so far are:

Pulverizer - Kan-opener E - Storm II - TAN - Sater II - Spike - Beast - Hard - Scorpion - Twilight - frollino - Hammerhead 3 - DisConstructor - Twister - Merlin - R-evolution - Livid - Snakebite - Velocirippa - Mighty Mouse - St. Agro - Iron Awe 4 - Tartarus - Hades - Brutus - Ripper - Terrorhurtz - Gravity 5 - Three Amigos - Ansgar - Flepser II - ubervolt


Steel sandwich - Blazer - Broadsword IV

DizzyTilly - Pushabilitilly - The turtle - Bonx - B2 - Horizon - Storm 2B - De Biel - Rampage - Scorpion Evolution - Batterbot - Alpha MX - G3 - Mini Mighty Mouse - Stiff Breeze - Ceasar - Pizzabox - YES - Elektra & Chrysothemis - Pillow Torque - Schnappi - Geelap - Tronic One - Little Spinner

[julian]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Blazer have fallen by the wayside and John (Steel Sandwich) has been away for a while, although I suspect that he is merely spending some time with a real life whatever that may be.

[terrorhurtz]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Could someone with local knowledge confirm exactly where the RAI centre is? Its not clear from the map on the RAI website:
http://www.rai.nl/source/bereiken/How_to_reach_us.pdfhttp://www.rai.nl/source/bereiken/How_to_reach_us.pdf

Which train station is it nearest to, Station Amsterdam-RAI south of the A10, or RAI north of the A10:
http://www.johnhmreid.dsl.pipex.com/rai.pnghttp://www.johnhmreid.dsl.pipex.com/rai.png

many thanks

John

[terrorhurtz]

22nd - 24th July European Championships 2005

Ed just pointed out to me that on the PDF map, north is to the right... this makes things rather more clear. Obviously a cunning plan to confuse foreigners. So the RAI centre is north of the A10.