Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

[Guest]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

Are you all aware that for public performance you need to ensure you have paid licensing fees for use of music. Its a copyright infringement for which you can be fined.

See http://www.ppluk.com/http://www.ppluk.com/

[jim]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

Very much aware. The winter tour is being run together with a professional entertainment, and Id be very surprised if they didnt have a PPL.

[stu]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

Did you have a PPL at Robot Crusade Andrew?
And it dont matter- the Entertainment company that Romaing Robots are working with to put on these kick a** winter events has it all sorted in that area. As any Entertainment company would really.

Mr Stu

[shredderteam]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

Depending on venue type most of them will probably carry there own PPL anyway.
Anywhere that has a bar with dukebox, has hosted discos, any sort of public entertainment where music is involved will have to carry one by law anyway.

Possibly a question worth having on the list for Jonno to ask though.

Sam

[shredderteam]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

Enginuity has its own PPL Stu... as I said most venues that have any sort of public entertainment will have.

Sam

[revolutionroger]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

My suggestion for a tournament format would be a scorecard for each team listing all other teams in the competition. The first time that you fight any other team gives you a result for the scorecard 3,0,1 win, lose, draw?

Scores could also be tallied on a grid set-up.

This would mean teams attending more venues will have more chance to score more points etc.

Top 4? to do semis + final at tour end?

Roughly: 24 teams / 6 venues = 2 fights a day - easy

Schedule of fights easily worked out in advance.
Failure to turn up = loss ?

If you dont want to fight someone - dont (just lose points)

Just rambling thoughts - but very keen to use tour as an ongoing TOURnament and not just a series of close dates.

Roger.

Oh Geoff - you forgot :
Sledge Hammer Peter Gabrial - One for Thor Dude
The Fly or Acrobat U2 - ones for Mute
Hammer to Fall Queen - Thors too easy
Zoom Fat Larrys Band - one for Storm
#1 Crush Garbage - Big Nippers Tune
Boom, Boom, Boom Venga Boys - Yet another Thor

Oh, its all too easy.

Roger.

[Guest]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

Silly question Stu! Why would we be mentioning it! Just wanted to make sure you guys were covered for appropriate license implications although it can be the organisation who is playing the music (if hired) or the venue that has the PPL.

So all of these suggestions would be irrelevant then Bob, thats a shame.

No B52s with Roam then?

[big_nipper]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

Got to carry alot of spears just in case we run into some Zulus. Us British have to watch out you know

Jaws Theme tune.
Ive Got a crush on you - Jawbreakers
Crush on You - Lil Kim
Just Crushin - Will Smith

Others
Storm - Vanessa Mae (Storm II)
Get Higher - Black Grape (flippers)
Get Ready to Bounce - Brooklyn Bounce
I need a Miracle - Coco (Against us )

(At least thats whats google came up with)

[tim_jones]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

Roger

I like the principle of your tournament system, the only change I would suggest is win 3 points, draw 2 points and lose 1 point. At least that way some credit is given for having the balls to face up to a better opponent. A sort of reward for the tenacious

Youll never win by fighting everyone and losing, but a definite incentive to face up to the challenge of better machines for those few essential extra points.

Regards

Tim

[mute]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

The problem I see - Hyperthetical situation:

We enter 3 fights and win all 3 (woohoo) and we get 9 points. We cant get any more fights because we cant recharge our batteries fast enough.

Another bot (with BIG batteries... or small motors) has 9 fights and looses all 9 and ends up with 9 points.

Both bots are on the same points.... offering 1 point for entering tends to make me think of entering all of the fights moving an inch and then stopping (very boring though). I think by doing this I could clean up and get around 15-20 point each day without doing any work.

A fairer option would be 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw and zero for a loss. Rewards should be made for winning not just entering so that people put on the best show that they can.

[big_nipper]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

The Number of fights becomes a problem so I would suggest that each robot should only get 2 competition fights each day (Depends on format). Any other fights simply dont count. At the very least all the robots need to have the same number of competition fights to make things fair. If the robot breaks down and cant be fixed in time so they dont have the required number of fights then they would simply lose out. Im assuming these are 1-on-1s, then the others could be melees. I think it should be 3 for a win, 1 for a draw, 0 for a loss with 1 to 1 fights but if its 3 way fights then 3 for a win, 2 for second, 0 for a loss with a tie between 2 or 3 robots being 1 point each. Either way I would like to see 0 points for a loss.

[jamesb]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

2 things,

is it not correct that you are legally entitled to use up to 30 seconds of material as long as there is no financial gain? If this is different in this case, I appologise for being stupid!

Chosen my music, think it suits me and my machines quite well.

Rage against the machine - killing in the name of.

failing that anything Rage, Prodigy, or Charlotte Church.

[revolutionroger]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

About format :
I think that all competition fights should be pre-sheduled over the tour, to roughly 2 per day (4 per event). This eliminates Daniels underhanded tactics and allows people time to prepare for the opposition.

As to points - should Draws even be allowed ?
perhaps it should just be 1 point per win ?

though i suggest Win=5, Draw=3, Lose=1
A token point for getting in the ring.
2 Draws only just better than a single win.

Also agree with Mark, Competition should always be 1 on 1. Its only fair. Also Competition fights should only be judged by comp Judges - Or us boring box-bots will never win.

And some more :
Bi**H by Nipper : obvious
Everybody Hertz by Air : Couldnt make that up

Roger

[wenman]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

Roger I like the suggestion for the format.

One question for any one to voice their opinions:

If the fights are prearranged what happens if your opponent isnt able to make it into the arena do they forfeit and you get 5 points or do you skip that fight and move on to the next opponent hoping to reschedule the original fight later.

It would be more entertaining for the crowd if we didnt have forefits but it seems a bit unfair that if your machine isnt in a fit state to fight that you get another chance later since halve the challenge is to keep your bot going for the whole tournament.

Richard
Team Mayhem

[revolutionroger]

Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

Without meaning to hog the discussion -

I think that a no-show or an inability to perform for a competition fight should be a forfeit, doesnt disadvantage the crowd as they neednt know.

This means that the competitive edge is kept for those wanting to be competitive, and for those less competitive, can opt out of fights they are un-prepared for or hesitant of taking on - and do a more friendly one instead.

It also increases pressure on people to attend all of the events.

Another topic - Jonno was talking about three fights per event only, because of the doubts about enough machines to fill 4 shows.
Our Survey says : Just you worry about filling the seats - and have more faith.

Just my thoughts.
Roger.