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    Win =5 Draw=3 Lose=1 sounds fairer to me. Should it be a requirement to be mobile at the end to claim this point? Or maybe a bonus point for surviving the bout? My thinking on suggesting a point for a loss was to prevent a scenario where someone with a lot of wins early on could sit on their laurels for the rest of the series safe in the knowledge that they had qualified for the final. Whilst it may just maintain a bit of interest throughout the tour, that final point for a loss is unlikely to have a major effect at the end of the day. The number of fights a losing machine can achieve in one day should be irrelevant, over the 6 events every point gained for losing a fight is in fact a loss of 2 or 4 points(depending on the scoring system adopted) that you could have gained if you had taken your sole chance to beat that opponent later on in the tour.

    My thinking on forfeits for non working machines would tend to be that the lack of ability to put a working machine in the arena should be penalised. The best machine in the world is worthless if it wont run ;(

    1 on 1 for the main comp is best IMHO, it allows more focus on the battle in hand and individual driving skills to come more to the fore, plus it is much easier to call cease if you stand to sustain unacceptable damage if you have a single opponent who is stood alongside you. Surely the need to load/unlaod just 2 machines should keep things happening for the audience more consistently as well?

    Regards

    Tim Jones

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    • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

      Hi guys, glad to see there is some healthy discussion going on.

      I will post some of our comments, and thoughts we took away from the meal in the next two days.

      things are mannick here at the mo.


      Jonno

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      • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

        I feel I have to make a few comments here.

        Firstly, a one on one mode is all well and good but I cant see it working in practice. Basically, lots of machines either get pitted, irretrievably stuck, or just break. This makes for a pretty short fight if there are only two machines in there. Plus, IMHO, the best format has always been three way melees.

        Also you have to take the logistics into account. If all working robots expect about three fights to an event, even if there were only 10 robots, that is still 15 fights to sort! Possibly each day! How many machines are we talking here? 20 to 30 per event? Who wants to do the maths? Not to mention time for feathers.

        Secondly, the points system really needs thought. The Wrexham event last year, for example. We won that event with our robot 51, purely by having more points than anyone else . (It was 3 points for a win, 2 for second, 1 for third, providing each robot was involved in the fight to start with, 1 point was always awarded.) Simple. But, no. We were thought of as only having won as we had had more fights than anyone else. The actuality was yes, we did have more fights, we had five. And scored 12 points. Big Nipper was the only robot to have had four fights and scored 6. Crustacean came second in the oompetition, having scored 8 with only three fights. Even if only our first three fights counted (to equal Crustaceans) we would have been on an equal score. But as were were playing by the original rules, we ultimatly won fair and square.

        My point? Everyone thought the scoring system was fair and good before the combat started. We almost felt ostracised by the fact we were reliable, and did not need to recharge the batteries :sad:. (Not the case now, I might add. Batteries only last one fight now, and the reliability has gone out of the window!)

        There has to be some limiting on the number of countable fights one robot can have. More fights just wont be added to the ultimate score. And if you cant do that number of fights, for what ever reason, tough.

        What about a format where each machine has to fight every other machine? This could still be done in a three way melee style. Just needs a basic square scoring sheet, with ticks to show what combination has happened with a separate list of scores.

        As for whatever points system is chosen, just be prepared to accept it, at all stages of the tour.

        Sorry to ramble, just had to get my tuppence worth in.

        B
        Taurus

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          Everyone appears to be focusing on the fact that this WILL be a competition. Im still not convinced it should be.

          I would be interested to hear from those who will actually be taking part what they feel is more important. Competition or Show.

          There are loads of other events where we can run competitions. But i feel the Winter Tour should be about putting on a great show for a paying audience, so that we can start to build up a greater public interest in what we are doing for the long term benefit of our hobby / sport. It needs to be a sort of showcase.

          Great show does not mean Crap fights.

          Im talking about just getting rid of the seriousness and complication that may arise around running a competition. Just concentrate on putting on a great show. That way it will probably be a lot more fun for all of us involved.

          Heres the list of Heavyweight robots that were down earlier in this thread. put down your preference against your robot name and re-post the list.

          (s) = Show
          (C) = Competition

          No sitting on the fence please.

          Ill start it off with an (s) for EWE2

          Ripper
          Stealth
          Bulldog Breed
          Ewe 2 (S)
          Torus
          Judge Shred
          Leveller
          Behemoth
          Thor
          Mighty mouse
          Veloceripper
          Mute
          Big Nipper
          Scorpion
          Merlin
          Spearhead
          Tanto
          Serrano
          Gman
          Revolution
          Air
          M2
          Kronic the Wedgehog
          Tuscan
          Mayhem
          Storm 2
          Dantomkia
          Tomohawk
          Corkscrew
          St Agro
          Ceros

          No disrespect to the other weight classes, but lets sort the heavies out first

          Ian

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          • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

            Tuscan - S

            not the same for my feathers though

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            • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

              Gman S

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              • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

                The idea was to do this boys !!!

                There there......Ill do it for you.

                Ripper
                Stealth
                Bulldog Breed
                Ewe 2 (S)
                Torus
                Judge Shred
                Leveller
                Behemoth
                Thor
                Mighty mouse
                Veloceripper
                Mute
                Big Nipper
                Scorpion
                Merlin
                Spearhead
                Tanto
                Serrano
                Gman (S)
                Revolution
                Air
                M2
                Kronic the Wedgehog
                Tuscan (S)
                Mayhem
                Storm 2
                Dantomkia
                Tomohawk
                Corkscrew
                St Agro
                Ceros

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                • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

                  I dont think that having a Competition as PART of the Tour eliminates the SHOW elements - but feel that a degree of competitiveness will add to the Show. I would favour a 50/50 split between competitive rounds and Showcases/Demos etc.

                  Competition doesnt require all out carnage and weapons blazing - more about Control and skill with no damage.

                  Been there and done that with wholesale carnage - dont like it. Still like competition though.

                  Ripper
                  Stealth
                  Bulldog Breed
                  Ewe 2 (S)
                  Torus
                  Judge Shred
                  Leveller
                  Behemoth
                  Thor
                  Mighty mouse
                  Veloceripper
                  Mute
                  Big Nipper
                  Scorpion
                  Merlin
                  Spearhead
                  Tanto
                  Serrano
                  Gman (S)
                  Revolution (C)+(S)!
                  Air
                  M2
                  Kronic the Wedgehog
                  Tuscan (S)
                  Mayhem
                  Storm 2
                  Dantomkia
                  Tomohawk
                  Corkscrew
                  St Agro
                  Ceros

                  Roger.

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                  • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

                    Roger, points taken and understood. But the issue i see with the competetive element is that the competition will span many events. So first rounds in Edinburgh with some teams scoring points. Then off we go to Milton Keynes and someone is winning the league/comp so far, then off we go to somewhere else.....The whole thing is meaningless to the crowd because they havent seen the earlier rounds, and wont see the next ones or finalee either!
                    So if you had to come down on one side of the fence, which one would it be?

                    Ian

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                    • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

                      Ripper, Stealth, Bulldog Breed, Ewe 2 (S), Torus, Judge Shred, Leveller, Behemoth, Thor, Mighty mouse, Veloceripper, Mute, Big Nipper (C), Scorpion, Merlin, Spearhead, Tanto, Serrano, Gman (S), Revolution (C)+(S)!!!, Air, M2, Kronic the Wedgehog, Tuscan (S), Mayhem, Storm 2, Dantomkia, Tomohawk, Corkscrew, St Agro, Ceros

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                      • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

                        See you dont have to create long scrollbars We do still need non-competition fights as Ive mentioned before so I guess (c) & (s) but more for (C)

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                        • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

                          as we will probably attend all/most events. we cant afford to take damage at an event every fortnight, we will only have two days between events (as im at Uni during the week), also having to look after 2 feathers and a middleweight. put merlin down for the show fights.

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                          • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

                            Thanks Mark and Alan,

                            Heres the updated list, coz Alan couldnt be *rsed to do his...just like he couldnt be *rsed to fight Cutlet and kept running away at Halesowen..........Oh God will I ever get over this?

                            Ripper, Stealth, Bulldog Breed, Ewe 2 (S), Torus, Judge Shred, Leveller, Behemoth, Thor, Mighty mouse, Veloceripper, Mute, Big Nipper (C), Scorpion, Merlin(S), Spearhead, Tanto, Serrano, Gman (S), Revolution (C)+(S)!!!, Air, M2, Kronic the Wedgehog, Tuscan (S), Mayhem, Storm 2, Dantomkia, Tomohawk, Corkscrew, St Agro, Ceros

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                            • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

                              Calm down Ian! We all know you wont get over it.

                              One thing we all have to remember is that this is still going to be using the roaming Robots arena. Which means there is no all out war! There is only so much that the arena can take.

                              What robots out there in the live event circuit cause enough damage to worry about? OK, there are some axes, and a few crushers. So how is this tour going to be any different from any other of Jonnos events?

                              Each event is an event in itself, and to be honest, as the audience is only there for only one of two or more shows on each day, they are only there to see the robots they know and love fight each other. Any competition is for us, the roboteers.

                              So my addition to the list is:
                              Ripper, Stealth, Bulldog Breed, Ewe 2 (S), TAURUS (C), Judge Shred, Leveller, Behemoth, Thor, Mighty mouse, Veloceripper, Mute, Big Nipper (C), Scorpion, Merlin(S), Spearhead, Tanto, Serrano, Gman (S), Revolution (C)+(S)!!!, Air, M2, Kronic the Wedgehog, Tuscan (S), Mayhem, Storm 2, Dantomkia, Tomohawk, Corkscrew, St Agro, Ceros

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                              • Roaming Robots, Winter Tour

                                Just a thought peeps..

                                Sport (i.e competition) means sponsorship..
                                Show (i.e no competition) means none..

                                In terms of long term goals for keeping the pastime alive, its fairly clear which one to choose.

                                No flames please, Its only an opinion

                                Sam

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