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  • #16
    The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

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    In addition to those who have seeds, Daniel Stickler, Steve McGregor and Martijn Benschop have reserved places over MSN.
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    I think he already has reserved you a space Steven

    Ive sorted out the armour on Blast, but what changes do you specifically want to Autoism, because do you wish I change the voltage on the Mag powering the claws, or on the motors.

    I think the exo-skeleton is the problem with the armour, so Im thinning it down by 1mm.

    Does this sound OK?

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    • #17
      The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

      Double Killas halves have Perm 080s motors, Ringwraith has S28-400 Magmotors, and both have Nicad batteries (24V and 36V respectively).

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      • #18
        The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

        If I may enter, please?

        Here are two heavyweights I made up just now. Feel free to point out any mistakes, and Ill work on them until they meet your expectations

        The Kill Point

        Weight: 97kg
        Shape: An invertible box like Tornado or Storm
        Dimensions: 64cm X 42cm X 9cm
        Power: 4 750watt electric motors, like the ones Firestorm uses (I think...)
        Speed: Around 10 or 12 mph
        Wheels: 4 Storm II style wheels
        Armour: Aluminium, and inside, a reinforcement made of titanium. The layers are 2mm thick
        Weapon: A steel spike (If static weapons are allowed). It has sharp blades on the side of the spike
        Srimech: Invertible. There are small bars on the side to stop it being propped there
        Colour: Silver with hazard stripes on the side
        Notes: I made this up not long ago, and it is based on a TV show I watched on Bravo. Turning circle is 0

        Skullcrusher

        Weight: 99kg
        Shape: Cylinder
        Dimensions: (Diamiter) 90cm X 15cm
        Wheels: Two
        Power: 2 24v Nicad batteries. 2 more power the weapon
        Speed: 9mph
        Weapon: Crushing jaws on the front like Sgt Bash. They are electrically powered, so probably wont be much use
        Srimech: None
        Notes: Turning circle 0, based on a one off character from Bottom who beat up Richie and Eddie at the end of an episode

        My other heavyweights will be real, if allowed: Joker from Extreme Warriors (The RWEW Series One version, which is a silver full body spinner with Joker on the side) and Nightstalker (From RWEW Series Two: A black full body spinner with sharp blades and two menacing eyes painted on)

        The Kill Point and Skullcrusher will represent Jersey, the island in the Channel Islands I live on. Since they belong to the UK, I might as well have represented the country as a whole instead. Real robots represent where they come from (In order of intro: Noble County, IN and Yuma, AZ)

        Other weights will be along soon. Good luck with this, Joey. Point out any mistakes I have made, as I fear I have made loads

        See you later!

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        • #19
          The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

          Can you reserve me a spot please Joey... I have some batteries to solve

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          • #20
            The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

            Sorry, I forgot. Skullcrusher is made from 2mm thick titanium

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            • #21
              The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

              ah oops CrOokEds base is made of 6.5 mm titanium and the magmoters are s28-150s

              keep dead meat in please, its a shame but hes slightly better than valliant...perhaps next time though...

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              • #22
                The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

                I would like to enter Ripper, Envy, Thor and Megamouse please Joey

                (Message edited by swanaldo on January 01, 2009)

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                • #23
                  The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

                  Hmm, loads to catch up on here...

                  Andy: All are perfect, youre in

                  Dan: Yep, thats fine, all allowed in now. :P

                  Steve: ...yep

                  Paul: Its a bit more complicated than that, will PM you about it on ZED.

                  Rich: Thanks for that, all entries accepted now.

                  Matty: Yep, spot reserved, along with my right to bug you about it later but if you need any help with batteries just ask and Ill see what I can do.

                  Elliot: If anything, those are massively underweight vapours...Skullcrusher in particular could do with some changes, its got thin armour, no srimech and a weak weapon when theres enough room in the design to beef up all three without going overweight. Youve avoided the main pitfall of being massively overweight though, so good on you for that.

                  Id suggest you post those on the How Could I Improve Pt 2 thread for more advice, or email me and Ill be happy to help (even with all this entry sorting :P) but provisionally theyre allowed.

                  JAck: Yep, all fine now

                  Shane: Yep, all fine

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                  • #24
                    The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

                    CHANGES TO THE KILL POINT

                    One: Forget the aluminium, titanium will do. 3mm thick if allowed. Replace the spike with a drill, powered by a Bosch motor. No reinforcement armour

                    CHANGES TO SKULLCRUSHER

                    The claws (Which are vertical) and powered by a hydralic system running at 1000psi (If allowed). It is now invertible, and there are spikes at the back. If the claw is no longer usable, the tactics will be to ram robots with the spikes. Upgrade the armour to 2mm steel

                    If I have gone overweight, please tell me. Joker and Nightstalker, I take it, are still allowed?

                    Also, here are some other weight robots

                    Superheavyweight: Disector
                    Middleweight: Middleweight Robot (Stats Later)
                    Featherweight: Sons of Thunder (Stats Later)
                    Antweight: Little Nipper
                    Lightweight: Lightweight Robot (Stats Later)

                    I do apologize if the names seem boring. Sons of Thunder is named after the spinoff of Walker: Texas Ranger

                    Please notify me should any of the robots be overweight or underweight. Im not good with weight, since Ive not much experience with roboteering (I did build one robot once, but it was based on an RC car. Its on the scrapheap now)

                    See you later

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                    • #25
                      The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

                      Being underweight is the point really The robots are in the realm of competitive now, Ive seen the realies so they are allowed, and for all intents and purposes, Elliot, your entries are allowed

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                      • #26
                        The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

                        Back to Rock III
                        Sheer Heart Attack 2
                        Under Pressure
                        4th bot

                        ta-daaaaaaaa

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                        • #27
                          The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

                          RESERVE!!

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                          • #28
                            The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

                            1: Kody Kunz
                            -Macduff The 4th
                            -Super Gore Septua
                            -Shadow Zone Forever
                            -Intriguous (stats needed)

                            2: Paul Cuomo
                            -Nitro-Gene 5.0
                            -Harraz
                            -Autoism 3.0 - PM sent
                            -Blast

                            3: Daniel Stickler
                            -Monsoon Magnum
                            -Fling
                            -Squish Reincarnated
                            -Maleficent

                            4: Richard Southworth
                            -Battle Raptor 5
                            -Double Killa 2
                            -MORD 2
                            -Ringwraith

                            5: Jack Orr
                            -CroOKeD
                            -Boxx
                            -Pick-Axe Of Doom
                            -Typhoon 2

                            6: Samuel Park
                            -Blue Hurricane
                            -Paralyzation 2
                            -Mad Dash
                            -Ramminator Evilution

                            7: Andrew Jackson
                            -Gehenna
                            -Exertion
                            -PsycloniZer
                            -Wedga Triton

                            8: Elliot Stevens
                            -The Kill Point
                            -Skullcrusher
                            -Joker
                            -Night Stalker

                            9: Shane Swan
                            -Ripper
                            -Envy
                            -Thor
                            -Megamouse

                            10: Martijn Benschop
                            -Back To Rock III
                            -Sheer Heart Attack 2
                            -Under Pressure
                            -(4th bot)

                            11: Matty Fowler (reserved)
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                            12: Steve McGregor (reserved)
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                            13: Frank Goacher (reserved)
                            -Door Stops
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                            14: Alex Holt (reserved)
                            -Darkestar/Darkestar redesign
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                            15: Liam Eliot (reserved)
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                            16: ?
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                            17: ?
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                            18: ?
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                            • #29
                              The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

                              Right then

                              Main Competition

                              1:
                              Robot Name: Brutalis 2.1
                              Shape: Like Dantomkia, but with the sides wedged at 42* and rear and the front chisels are now hinged. The front wedge itself is angled at 42* to deflect spinners, but the chisels will easily get under most opponents
                              Weight: 100kg
                              Length: 70cm
                              Width: 70cm
                              Height: 15cm
                              Motivation: 2 x go-kart style wheels, internally mounted near the front of the robot to prevent wheelying. They are mounted on a slant like Tazbot to help manoeuvrability and are right up against the sides to take up less space
                              Drive: 2 x LEM-130s at 48v
                              Batteries: 6 3600mAh NiCad Battlepacks at 48v
                              Armour: 5mm hardox monocoque for the whole robot, this is possible and in weight due to the small size of the robot
                              Weaponry:
                              1)Front hinged flipper, powered by 1 x 1.5kg co2 bottle and a single 120mm ram at 145psi. This allows it to have 20-25 flips per fight (due to the low pressure) and easily flip any heavyweight competitors, even with bonuses. It wont be throwing them around, more tipping them over and rolling them around although quickly. It runs for the full length of the robot and reaches over the back to make a Toro-style tongue at the rear. This tongue doesn€™t actually touch the floor, as the robot would be grounded if it did, but it rests on the skirt and points downwards so that if a robot goes up the skirt they go onto the flipper, and as it is sloped they will be thrown over easily. This allows it to flip robots from the front and back
                              2) Mute-style barbs on top of the robot. There is one strip on each side of the robot and one on the flipper, making three in total
                              3) At the front of the robot there are tungsten spikes on either side, these allow the robot to spin and act as a thwackbot. Each spike is 7cm long
                              Top Speed: 15mph
                              Ground Clearance: Effectively 0 at the front due to the wedge, 0 at sides and rear due to skirts, behind the skirts there is 8mm of clearance
                              Turning Circle: 0
                              Srimech: The flipper will easily spring the robot back onto its wheels
                              Colour: Black all over, but the flipper is red and the skirts yellow
                              Strengths: Powerful drive/flipper combination, very manouevrable, hard armour,
                              Weaknesses: LP flipper, not HP like it was previously
                              Notes: Plenty of shock-proofing

                              2:
                              Robot Name: The Subjugator
                              Shape: Box with skirts all the way around
                              Weight: 150kg/200kg (see armour)
                              Length: 90cm
                              Width: 90cm
                              Height: 35cm
                              Motivation/Drive: 4 x hardox legs with vulkalon rubber feet, they are each actuated by two 10 bar 32mm pneumatic rams from a 5kg tank, they are not visible as they are internal
                              Armour: 4mm hardox (8mm with 200kg rule)
                              Weaponry: An 80cm long hardox arm on a 360 degree turret spun by a Bosch 750 watt motor at 36v. On the end of the arm is a large vertical claw, it has two prongs on the top and one on the bottom that goes between the top two when the claw closes (like Mr. Psycho). The prongs are all tungsten tipped and the claw is drilled with several speed holes, the claw is actuated by hydraulics at 3000psi from a vivoil pump powered by a LEM-130 lynch motor at 36v, they can be cranked up to 5000psi if the tournament allows it and can crunch through 4mm hardox when at 3000psi, look out if it€™s at 5000! The arm can move over 180 degrees via a LEM-130 at 36v to flip opponents and slam them onto the ground
                              Speed: 8mph, pretty fast for a walker
                              Turning Circle: In the centre of the robot€™s base armour there is a 20cm x 20cm circular section that extends to below the robot via another 10 bar ram, but this one is 400mm and takes the gas from its own 1.1kg bottle, once on the ground the circular piece of armour rotates in the direction which I want the robot to go via a Briggs & Stratton E-Tek at 48v.
                              Ground Clearance: 20mm all round, protected by 7mm titanium torsion sprung skirts, held together at the corner s by 5mm hardox hinges
                              Srimech: The arm can right it in any direction
                              Colour: Black, with red and gold claw and the name written in white
                              Strengths: Heavy, unpushable, good weapon
                              Weaknesses: Comparatively slow turning

                              3:
                              Robot Name: LockJaw Epidemic
                              Shape: An Axlebot with the wheels on the outside, a scoop in the middle and two vertical claws, on one each side in between the wheel and the scoop, there are large parasol-shaped armour plates to protect the wheels from the side
                              Weight: 100kg
                              Length: 65cm
                              Width: 110cm
                              Height: 30cm
                              Motivation: 2 x go-kart style wheels coated in vulkalon for grip
                              Drive: 2 x LEM-130s at 36v, 18HP, powered by 4 x NiCad battlepacks
                              Armour: 4mm hardox all over, but the skirts are 5mm titanium and the scoop is 1cm titanium
                              Weaponry:
                              1)The scoop in the middle, it is made of 1cm titanium
                              2)The claws operate in unison and are powered by Litton Motors at 36v. They have serrated edges and are drilled full of speed holes. They reach out slightly further than the scoop to get a good grip
                              Top Speed: 17mph
                              Ground Clearance: Effectively 0 at front due to scoop, and effectively 0 at sides and rear due to hinged skirts that flop over when inverted, they are attached with hardox hinges
                              Turning Circle: 0
                              Srimech: Invertible, flipping it does nothing at all
                              Colour: Gold claws, silver wheel hubs and scoop
                              Strengths: Original weaponry
                              Weaknesses: Weapon requires precision
                              Notes: Heavily shock-proofed

                              4:
                              Robot Name: System Shock V: Hex
                              Shape: Box wedge with sloped sides, the front wedge is angled at 60* to flip opponents and the sides are angled at 42* to deflect spinners, the front wedge has a 3cm long extension with a Firestorm-style blade, this extension is angled at 30* to get right in underneath opponents, then ram them so they get flipped by the main 60* wedge, it also has a Tornado style angled rear
                              Weight: Depends on setup, can gain a 10kg bonus because of the tracks in some setups
                              Length: 65cm
                              Width: 85cm
                              Height: 15cm
                              Motivation: 4 x CNC Aluminium internal, but invertible wheels, they have a v-belt groove in the treads and a v-belt between the wheels so they count as tracks, but if they break the robot is not affected at all and the robot simply becomes a wheeled robot, leaving the tracks behind. For certain opponents the tracks can be removed leaving it with just wheels, but if the tracks are removed the decision can be taken to add vulcanised go-kart tyres
                              Drive: 2 x LEM-200 lynch motors running @ 48v ()
                              Batteries: 250 C-Cell NiCad batteries
                              Armour: 4mm hardox monocoque, with 6mm in key areas
                              Weaponry: As before the robot is primarily a rammer, but again it has some interchangeable weaponry;
                              - 50cm diameter titanium horizontal spinning disc, with 10cm long hooked blades that are part of the disc itself so they can€™t be ripped off from their own impacts. When attached this is situated on top of the robot itself, and the blades reach just over the top of the front wedge and the rear, but it will do the most damage if an opponent goes up the wedge. The tracks/wheels are higher than the disc, so it can still run inverted with this setup. The disc is spun by a LEM-130 lynch motor at 48v, and weighs 15kg, so can reach top speeds of 3000rpm in just 2.5 seconds. Kj count to come. This disc also feeds kinetic energy to the drive via a clutch, so the kinetic energy stored in the disc can be used for 45mph slams against other robots, which with the robot€™s front wedge is enough to throw robots out of the arena Storm II-style.
                              - A Tornado style cage can be fitted around the robot to keep crushers and axes at bay. Each of the 4 bars (one from each corner of the robot) is 70cm long and the bars are joined up by a square on the outside. Very few axes and no crushers will be able to reach the robot with this protection. The cage is made from tungsten carbide bars, so is essentially unbreakable by other robots. On the front of the cage will always be fitted the horizontal disc from setup 1, like Tornado had the spinning blade.
                              - The drum is back! Now spanning a massive 75cm in width and being made of titanium with its own teeth it spins upwards to 3000rpm in 2.5 seconds courtesy of a LEM-130 lynch motor running at 48v. It is connected to the wedge, so the robot still has 0 ground clearance at the front with this setup. It weighs 15kg and is chain driven, so can reversed if the robot is inverted
                              - A concave scoop made from 10mm hardox, perfect for stopping horizontal spinners or full body spinners. It is also lifted by 2 powerful linear actuators to lift opponent€™s wheels from the floor
                              - The €œclassic€ setup. The front wedge is thickened by 6mm hardox and actuated by an S28-150 magmotor at 24v, so it can work both ways up. Not including the cage with disc this is the only setup that works identically both ways up, as even the drum has to be reversed.
                              Speed: Can be pushed to 28mph, but mostly kept lower for more control (about 17mph). With kinetic energy boost it reaches 45mph very quickly. The motors are geared towards acceleration so it can reach top speeds very quickly.
                              Turning Circle: 0
                              Ground Clearance: 0 at the front, 10mm the rest of the way around, but that is protected by 5mm titanium hinged skirts at the sides and rear that flop over when the robot is inverted
                              Srimech: Invertible
                              Colour: Grey, with yellow eyes and the name written in yellow on top. See the image for colours of the different setups.
                              Strengths: Speed and Power
                              Weaknesses: Some people will be cheesed off by this clear exploitation of the weight advantage given to tracks

                              Otherweights

                              AW:
                              Robot Name: Tiny Titanium Teeny
                              Weight: 150g
                              Shape: Reverse wedge with a scooped front
                              Length: 10cm
                              Width: 10cm
                              Height: 10cm
                              Motivation: 4 x internal invertible vulcanised tyres
                              Power: 4 x Mini-Sanyo gear motors 50:1 powered by 11.1v Lil-polymer batteries
                              Armour: 2mm polycarbonate all over except for the scoop, which is 4mm titanium
                              Weaponry:
                              1)Scoop at front
                              2)Pushing Power
                              Speed: Fast!
                              Ground Clearance: 0 at front, 4mm everywhere else
                              Turning Circle: 0
                              Srimech: Invertible
                              Colour: Silver, with a scary Mauler type face on the scoop
                              Strengths: Pushing power
                              Weaknesses: No damaging weaponry

                              FW:
                              Robot Name: Apocalypto
                              Weight: 13.6kg
                              Shape: Bulldog Breed-style wedge with rounded sides
                              Length: 25cm
                              Width: 25cm
                              Height: 25cm
                              Motivation: 6 x internal vulcanised wheels
                              Power: 2 x 12v cordless drill motors at 19.6v
                              Armour: 3mm titanium on top, front, sides and rear, 4mm HDPE on base
                              Weaponry:
                              1)Rear hinged front flipper, powered by a 60mm x 40mm ram at 250psi from a 600g co2 bottle
                              Top Speed: 12mph
                              Ground Clearance: 0 at front due to wedge, 5mm elsewhere
                              Turning Circle: 0
                              Srimech: The flipper springs the robot back onto its wheels
                              Colour: Red flipper, dark blue everywhere else
                              Strengths: Powerful flipper
                              Weaknesses: No damaging weaponry
                              Notes: A mini-Apocalypse

                              LW:
                              Robot Name: Titanium Titan V2
                              Weight: 27kg
                              Shape: Box wedge
                              Length: 45cm
                              Width: 345cm
                              Height: 15cm
                              Motivation: 4 x internal vulcanised tyres
                              Power: 2 x S28-150s at 24v
                              Armour: 5mm titanium front, sides and rear, 4mm titanium top and 3mm titanium base
                              Weaponry:
                              1)Bio-Hazard style lifting/flipping arm powered by an S28-400 magmotor at 24v, geared at 300:1 with enough power to turn over a heavyweight
                              Top Speed: 12mph
                              Ground Clearance: 0 at front due to wedge and effectively 0 at sides due to 5mm titanium skirts, 6mm at rear and behind skirts
                              Turning Circle: 0
                              Srimech: The arm
                              Colour: Silver with a Mauler-type face on the wedge
                              Strengths: Good weaponry
                              Weaknesses: No damaging weaponry
                              History: Titanium Titan

                              MW:
                              Robot Name: Zero
                              Shape: Cylinder, ala Daisy Chopper
                              Weight: 54kg
                              Length: (including disc) 65cm
                              Width: 70cm
                              Height: (including disc) 35cm (without disc) 10cm
                              Motivation: 6 x 4mm hardox wheels at either end, 12cm in diameter, external and invertible, exposed but protected by two tungsten carbide bars at either end. There are 6 wheels because they are mounted in a triangle like Trident from RW3
                              Drive: 2 x S28-150s @ 24v
                              Batteries: 2 x NiCad battlepacks @ 24v
                              Armour: 4mm titanium body and disc supports, tungsten carbide wheels protectors, titanium disc
                              Weaponry: A 25cm diameter vertical spinning disc 5cm away from the main body, supported by 4 x 4mm titanium arms, which have swivel castors on the top and bottom for easy manouevrability. The disc itself is made of titanium and has two 5mm hardox tunsgten tipped serrated blades which are part of the disc to avoid them being ripped off. These baldes are just 1mm from the ground, and when spinning at maximum speed of 2000rpm from the LEM-130 @ 36v that powers it can deliver 35.4Kj per hit as well as flipping opponents as it spins upwards. The direction can be reversed when the robot is flipped by the chain driven system
                              Speed: 15mph
                              Turning Circle: 0
                              Ground Clearance: The disc is 1mm from the ground, the rest of the robot is 10mm
                              Srimech: Invertible
                              Colour: The disc is blue with gold stripes and red blades, the body is mostly pewter and grey with some dark blue
                              Strengths: Powerful weaponry, flipping it does just about nothing
                              Weaknesses: Not the toughest armour

                              SHW:
                              Robot Name: SLAM!
                              Shape: Box wedge, ala Storm II. The front wedge is angled at 42* to deflect spinner attacks and the rear is angled like Tornado
                              Weight: 154kg
                              Dimensions: 100 x 75 x 20
                              Motivation: 4 x internal, invertible wheels
                              Drive: 4 x LEM-200 at 60v, providing over 200HP!
                              Armour: 7mm hardox all over
                              Weaponry:
                              1)Firestorm-style blade on the wedge to give it 0 GC
                              2)Pushing Power/ Full Body Hammer
                              3) Bio-Hazard style lfiting arm, powered by pneumatics at 550psi, the gas is stored in a 2.5kg bottle, it has bars on top to aid in self-righting
                              4) On either side of the angled rear there is a tungsten tipped spike
                              Top Speed: 40mph, but it will be kept down to 17mph for pushing and only pushed to full for the hammer attack
                              Ground Clearance: 0 at front due to wedge, effectively 0 at sides and rear due to 7mm titanium skirts
                              Turning Circle: 0
                              Srimech: The arm, but it is invertible anyway
                              Colour: Black, with the name painted in white on top
                              Strengths: Immense pushing power
                              Weaknesses: Exposed wheels from top and bottom

                              (Message edited by Swimm3r on January 01, 2009)

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                              • #30
                                The Chevron Championship Series 2 - Medium Medium Speed Ones

                                Thanks, Joey.

                                My lightweight robot will now be called Bottom and my middleweight will be a real one, 259 (RWE2)

                                Sons of Thunder

                                Weight: 10kg all together, each part is 5kg
                                Dimensions: 30cm X 12cm X 10cm
                                Speed: Both go at around 7mph
                                Shape: Both are wedge shaped, like Arrgh
                                Power: Both are powered by Bosch drill motors
                                Wheels: Two wheel drive, inside, for each
                                Weapons: The wedges have two sharp blades on them so the two can catch a robot and push them around
                                Armour: Plastic
                                Srimech: None
                                Colour: Both are red. One has the number 1 on it and the other has number 2 on it
                                Notes: Named after Sons of Thunder, the spinoff to Walker: Texas Ranger

                                Bottom

                                Weight: 20kg
                                Shape: Box
                                Dimensions: 45cm X 23cm X 10cm
                                Power: 4 Bosch drill motors
                                Wheels: 4 wheels
                                Armour: Aluminum with plastic tubing
                                Colour: Silver with Richies face on top and Eddies face on the bottom
                                Weapon: There are two sharp blades on the back and a ramming spike at the front
                                Srimech: Invertible
                                Notes: Named after the comedy Bottom

                                See you later, possibly with the new series of FRFFT!

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