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[dinowarrior]

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Cyclone Force 2.5 vs. Sheer Heart Attack
There we go again. Will have to wait for Chris setup, but keep in mind that all setups have a wedge. Sheer Heart Attack eats wedges.

I said it before, and Ill say it again...I love an oblivious oppodent.

Im a little bit undecided at the moment. Im thinking of using either the claws or the disc, but Ill decide closer to the time.

[joey_picus]

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Semi-Final 1

Salamander III (1) vs. Axeon (13)
Durable spinner v. non-shockproofed axebot. Salamander for the KO, I think.

Killotine: EVO (9) vs. Cosmic Thunder 2
Would probably depend on who can get control easier. CT2 can end it very quickly, but Killotine has a big axe and could win if it went down to the judges. Too close for my inexperienced, naive, novice mind to call.

A Night at the Bar vs. SUNCUST
I think this may go to the judges, and ANATB would probably win on damage.

The Disc 5 vs. Infusion
Hmm. Horizontal versus vertical here, but The Discs design screws up most of the assumptions. Nonetheless, Ill go for Infusion to win - just, and possibily by JD.

Semi-Final 2

Son of Ripper 5.0 vs. Tengu VII
Tengu. As Paul put it, ITS TENGU!

Tempest Evil-er-oution (14) vs. Aquarius (5)
I dont think Aquarius can control Tempest enough to get it out of the arena. Tempest FTW.

Cyclone Force 2.5 vs. Sheer Heart Attack
It depends on the setup, but Cyclone Force seems a bit too durable, and those sides look too easy to get to. Cyclone Force.

Flank Attack: DT vs. BIACS-LE
I cant really see BIACS-LE getting up to speed fast enough, or getting out of Flank Attacks way before it can get a grip.

[steven_mcg]

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SEMI-FINAL 1
ROUND 1
Cosmic Thunder 2 VS KILLOTINE: EVO (9)

Like MSSDs clash with Cosmic Thunder earlier in the series, Alex has the edge in manoueverability, but I should have the edge in pushing power and control. Aim for the skirt corners to charge underneath (preferably at the rear end to avoid that acursed flipper), get a good grip with the axe and dont let go. If Im very lucky, I might just get the axe head caught in the wheel house or puncture a tyre too. Power it into a House Robot or the pit (whichevers closest) before it can wriggle away.

Im not sure why Im bothering to use the same tactics again as they didnt exactly work out last time, but you never know. Besides, theres not much else to do.

Oh and if axes arent that effective anymore, AJ, what are you doing with an axebot in the Semis as well? :wink:

[siphai]

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Oh and if axes arent that effective anymore, AJ, what are you doing with an axebot in the Semis as well?

lol :P

[majinb]

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also martijn lol, this version has armor better than the original Flank Attack who managed to survive an entire fight with Tengu VI. And it cant survive against BIACS-LE? I mean, in this thread it was even stated that one of my bots, FBSDS, has a higher output of Power than BIACS-LE and comparing FBSDS to Tengu is insane.

Guess I shouldve explained myself better. I was talking about the nature of BIACS-LEs attack rather than the raw power. Flank Attack has less defens against an overhead disc than it has against an FBS coming straight at it.

Also, Kody wants predictions, so I give him predictions . There are no one-sided matchups in this draw I think so dont take me too seriously when I am like omg BIACS-LE will win!!!

[andrewj]

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Steve, ask the writer!

«Salamander III vs. Axeon»

If you guys want to claim I have no shock proofing, I shall use the same method and say that Salamander has no weapon motor and has no way of damaging me. See how it works? However, as this vapourbot is the current champion and a semi-finalist I will presume Kody takes it as being pretty powerful, so I wont underestimate it.

There are a few things I can try here. First of all I will attempt to get some shots in on the wheels. A couple of hits on them should lock them up and leave it a sitting duck. Being as it is axlebot in nature and its powered by wheelchair motors it basically has no resistance to my 4WD 36v LEM130 drive train. So I should be able to just fire the axe and clamp it on the front wedge and then push it wherever I like. A quick pitting should be nice. Offensively Ill be using box rushing and clamp n push techniques as I should dominate in those areas.

For defence, I will take it that the spinner is pretty powerful. My sides and back, although armoured well, might be a weakness so I will try and keep the front facing Salamander III at all times. My front wedge at 8mm Hardox should be more than capable of withstanding the hits it dishes out.

In the remaining Semi Final 1 battles Ill choose Killotine: EVO, SUNCUST and Infusion to go through.

[paulc]

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But on the subject of that last battle, Alex says hes going to try and damage BIACS-LE - how? In R2, Whirligig gave it a smashing, and BIACS-LE took every blow with almost NO damage. That cage around it protects the actual body. And as for the weaponry, the disc spins diagonally, so it can flip and flip at the same time. So if it hits one of your claws at the right angle...

And the reason I said that Cosmic Thunder has Lexan for armour is that it stats that in Mechanical Noise 2.

It looks to be a good match-up all the way, Kody, and I look forward to it fondly.

[pcbore]

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Three slight problems Aaron:

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TD5 has no way of pushing me, so hes not going to be controlling the battle with wedge like tactics.

I seriously laughed out loud at this bit. Thats like saying Typhoon wont try to win using axe attacks

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TD5s wheels are big, giving plenty of places for me to strike. Even if I dont do significant damage to the wheels, it will count to my aggression.

I take it youre refferring to the big domey bits. Those arent wheels, those are what protect the wheels. The rest is fair enough though.

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I doubt he would flip me as I have a lot more weight and energy in my rim, Im more likely to break the teeth of his disc (ALA Warhead VS Nightmare).

Big difference. TD5 has the teeth as an actual part of the disc, not a seperate part welded or bolted on.

By the way, a question about Infusions spinning rim. I was trying to calculate the energy give out, but the weight for the rim only comes up to 18 KGs. Where do the other 10 come from, the aluminium/polycarb bracing?

[siphai]

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But on the subject of that last battle, Alex says hes going to try and damage BIACS-LE - how? In R2, Whirligig gave it a smashing, and BIACS-LE took every blow with almost NO damage. That cage around it protects the actual body. And as for the weaponry, the disc spins diagonally, so it can flip and flip at the same time. So if it hits one of your claws at the right angle...

Damage is a byproduct of the claws grasp. My main attack will, obviously, be to pit him. It would be nice to have the stats for BIACS-LE, since I dont seem to have them in this thread, though. Im not sure what is meant by an overhead spinner (unless you mean verticle or whatever)

And the reason I said that Cosmic Thunder has Lexan for armour is that it stats that in Mechanical Noise 2.

The stats are different. I updated the stats in the meantime after I entered MN2

[alex_holt]

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I could argue that because it is stated to be a flyhweel and given a spinning speed a motor is certainly implied... However thats just going to bring down people on my head, lol.

Both my robots in the semis dont have mcuh tactic beyond hit with the weapon, although Ill extrapolate to hit the softest bits possible with the weapon.

Youll be glad to know when I get to salamander on the to update list I intend to give it a motor overhall in general.

[knightrous]

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In R2, Whirligig gave it a smashing, and BIACS-LE took every blow with almost NO damage. That cage around it protects the actual body.

6mm aluminium rod and 3mm polypropylene armour for that cage is one of the weakest armour setups Ive seen... Those cages should have been shredded like the paper they are...

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I seriously laughed out loud at this bit. Thats like saying Typhoon wont try to win using axe attacks :-O

Well besides trying to hit with the weapon, all you can do if drive into my wedge or weapon. Kinda like the armless Black Knight X-D.

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I take it youre refferring to the big domey bits. Those arent wheels, those are what protect the wheels. The rest is fair enough though.

Regardless, they are big targets. Big enough to not miss in an attack.

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Dig difference. TD5 has the teeth as an actual part of the disc, not a seperate part welded or bolted on.

Maybe you havent seen the aftermath photos of the warhead/nightmare match, but the teeth on nightmare didnt shear bolts, it literally tore a whole section out of the disc. Photo http://www.robotmarketplace.com/imag...singtooth1.jpg

[pcbore]

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I havent seen those pictures but I saw what happened plainly enough in the fight. Not only was the tooth sheered off, the disc was warped.

However, I have employed a cutting edge technology known as... Thicker metal. The disc itself is 2.5 CMS of Ti. Can it be sheered off? Yeah. Can Infusion do it? I doubt it.

(Message edited by pcbore on February 29, 200

[knightrous]

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Just dug back through C&B1 thread and found TD5 is totally different to my memory Thatll learn me to check things twice.

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Name: The Disc 5

Shape: It€™s still the €œbar-bell of doom€ shape we€™ve all come to know and€¦ Know. The framework around the disc itself is gone now, for two reasons. First off, people had trouble imagining what shape it was and kept thinking they could effectively latch on to it, and secondly because€¦ Well, basically the weapon itself is more or less indestructible anyway so I may as well save some weight. Anything powerful enough to damage the disc won€™t be put off by Ti bars. It still has the side spikes, but these are no longer the removable links.

Size: 60X110X60 CM (LWH)

Weight: ~100 KGs

Speed: 10 MPH.

Ground clearance: Under the wheel protectors, it€™s 5 mm.

Weapon: 27 KG spinning disc, powered by one LEM 130 Lynch motor and going at 2500 RPM. What€™s so special about this new version is€¦ It has no teeth! Rather, it has no detachable teeth. Instead, the teeth are actually a part of the disc itself, so it would have to be shaped specially. The energy output is 36 KJ€™s which, while modest by vapour €˜bot standards should still be enough to make a mess of things.

Weapon 2: The outer axle the disc is attached to now also spins along with the disc. This has several little tungsten spikes for teeth, but it€™s more a defensive feature than an offensive one€¦ Try grabbing hold of that:-O

Wheels: Shock horror€¦ It now technically has six wheel drive, although it only runs on four at a time. In an idea stol€¦ borrowed from Gigavirus, there are three wheels on each side, and they are arranged in a triangular fashion, so when it€™s flipped it will inevitably land on two. It can€™t balance on just one, as the weight will drag it over. Now it actually has something to push against as it stops, it becomes as easy to control as anything can be with a huge gyroscopic force in the middle of it. The wheels are made of 1 CM solid grade 5 Ti. Wrapped and glued around that is 3 CMs of soft compound rubber, allowing it to squish downwards a bit and absorb its own hits, and around all of that are vulcanore (or however you spell it) rubber tyres to provide traction. These are protected from disc attacks by two semi-circular wheel guards, so each wheel unit still looks like a ball.

Chassis: The main chassis consists of one solitary 1 CM thick 4 mm box section hardox bar. Slotted over that is a secondary axle, inside which are the batteries. There are also two other triangular chassis€™ supporting the wheels. These are made from 4 MM 1 CM box section Ti bars with weight reducing holes.

Armour: The true axle and chassis is a 4 MM hardox bar. The battery axle is 5 mm aluminium. The semi circular wheel protectors and side spikes are 6 mm grade 5 Ti. The disc itself is 2.25 CM€™s of Titanium, and the spinning axle is 4 mm grade 5 Ti.

Srimech: Totally invertible. Controls won€™t even have to be reversed after flipping, meaning it can just go straight back on the attack.

Drive: 2 S28-400 Magmotors at 24 volts.

Infact its nearly the same as my Resonance design... Artist impression http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...s/bot3.jpghere

[pcbore]

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That bouncing would be awesome. Just a shame The Disc cant bounce like that due to the flywheel being smaller than the wheel pods. The disc can only hit what fits between the wheel pods, and the arena floor doesnt

No altered plans here. Messing up the outer part of the wheel pod will only be cosmetic damage, trying to mess up the inside puts him in my range so that goes nicely with what I intend to do.

And thanks Aaron, I had been wondering what I could do for The Disc 6

[samuel3764]

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The Disc 6 should have a different shape... its sort of complicated... no offense to you, Frank,