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  • Robot Wars Series VIII - Week 3 Discussion

    Getting onto week three now, I feel like we're getting a better overall picture of the show and its production. Certainly quite an exciting episode, once again spoilers from here on for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

    Well, I don't think anyone expected Overdozer to go far, I certainly didn't. But honestly I think it's a shame they didn't make a bigger deal out of the fact that the robot had been built in a matter of days. Certainly a fine effort, but misplaced on a wooden robot that's so far under the weight limit. One thing I didn't see coming was what happened to Orte. It looked like a decent machine, from the ever-reputable Bigger Brother team, but I don't think we saw a single flip out of it. Once chop from Big Nipper or Supernova and it was gone. A real shame that it barely got a look in. Speaking of Supernova, it really was looking dangerous as it has before, but I think some bad luck combined with a very compact robot lost them the fight. I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same design as in earlier wars, and I honestly feel like they could do with trying something new. Glitterbomb seemed largely ineffectual, and I feel the general design was misguided. I'm not sure how true the whole 'child dictates the entire design process' story is, but it certainly appeared that way. That said, they were unlucky with their pneumatics, which happens constantly as we know.

    As for King B, I really was hoping to see the team's ingenuity shine through, but it seemed very little had changed design-wise since their last entry. I was hoping they'd win something for once, but the more they got into fights, the worse they seemed to do. I will say though, I'm not quite sure why Matilda was allowed to flip King B out after such a short time of getting stuck on the side wall. In previous wars we've seen the robot get counted out by Refbot, or more often the opponent has attempted an OOTA themselves. I almost feel like Matilda came in because the staff knew Dantomkia wouldn't engage again, and didn't want a boring last half of the battle. Obviously we don't have a Refbot these days to count people out, but it certainly seemed more decisive when we did. Speaking of the House Robots though, it was nice to see Killalot getting stuck in this time, really pressurising the likes of Big Nipper and even getting stuck on the arena wall. Still no major damage done by the House Robots, that I've seen though. From seeing Big Nipper's interchangeable weaponry this time around, they were one of my favourite robots, and it's a shame they didn't do better. Had they been put in against fewer flippers, I think they might've fared better, but sadly it wasn't to be. I hope to still keep seeing them on the live circuit though.

    Now, onto Dantomkia. Considering what happened with Team Foxic last week, I'm going to reserve my judgement, but honestly the footage of them that we did see made me want them to lose at all costs as the show went on. Whether this is entirely Mentorn's doing or partly the team's, there is something I seriously don't like about it. Whether or not you like trash talk, the way it's framed on TV at least seemed to make Team Captain Shane Swan look terrible, and this needless lack of humility (which again, might just be Mentorn's doing) is nothing like previous Robot Wars series. I've been re-watching Series 7 recently and, though we saw less of the teams, they all at least appeared a lot more humble. If Mentorn want to somehow drive me away from my favourite show of all time with needless fake drama, that's the right way to go about it. I hope we don't see any more. TR2 was honestly the dark horse of this heat for me. Having seen them on the competitor's list I never gave them a second glance, and though their 'axe' is pathetic, they've built an incredibly solid machine. They beat Dantomkia into submission twice, and I really do wish them the best for the final. Having a family effort headed by a fifteen-year-old is especially impressive.

    A final few thoughts:
    -The sound design is still bugging me. I know I said I'd shut up about it but now I've realised that they're actually adding sounds in. Any argument for the lack of music enabling us to hear the battle better is basically nullified since two robots bashing together somehow makes exactly the same clang as Shunt's axe does when it comes down. I know they used to add sounds in previous series, but aren't we a little past that now?
    -Like I said, I've recently been rewatching series 7, and somehow the new series seems less tense in comparison. I think this is because robots are not eliminated as soon as they lose a fight. Obviously this is both a good and a bad thing, but being in this weird place where any of the four robots could be the winner for most of the show, somehow doesn't quite feel right. All credit to Dara, he's usually very funny in a clever way, but he creates nowhere near the level of hype that Craig used to. I know it's technically a different show now, and I shouldn't compare it too harshly, but I wouldn't be surprised if they pick a new, more excitable presenter for next time.
    -I honestly thought Lucy Rodgers' bit of robotics talk was a little underwhelming - it was almost as if she didn't quite get enough time to go into her field of expertise, compared to the other two. We saw no inner workings of the animatronics, really just flowchart code. It wasn't bad by any stretch, just a little underwhelming compared to the other two, animatronics having been around for a long time now, and certainly not an advance in robotics.

    I know it might seem like I was more critical on this episode than the others, but I did still enjoy it immensely. For me the first episode was still my favourite though, and I criticise because I genuinely want the show to go on and do well, as I'm sure most of us do.

  • #2
    I prefer the more chilled out back to basics feel of this program. Also like the dark sense of humor.

    The teams that are fighting regular on the live circuit are so well sorted it's effortless to them i.e. shard, thor, tr2 and others.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by R9000 View Post
      I'm not quite sure why Matilda was allowed to flip King B out after such a short time of getting stuck on the side wall.
      I didn't see the fight live but chances are it was actually on there for a lot longer, which they edited down, and then it was clear that they weren't able to free themselves.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RogueTwoRobots View Post
        I didn't see the fight live but chances are it was actually on there for a lot longer, which they edited down, and then it was clear that they weren't able to free themselves.
        Yeah I had a sneaking suspicion that might've happened. Still, it's evident that Dantomkia didn't get stuck in, a shame really.

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        • #5
          When I saw the first episode I wasnt really sure if I liked it or not, obviously its quite different from the old series but being 12 years later it had to be different. The 2nd episode it grew on me more and last night I really enjoyed it like just the old series however there are a few little things that annoy me too.

          It feels very much like battlebots to me, its almost like when battlebots came back last year the producers of robot wars thought 'we can do this with robot wars' and very much followed the battlebots format such as filming the teams at home (which isnt a bad thing really I quite enjoy that) but the way they seem to edit it like you said about shane swan and the foxic team last week with the trash talk all feels very american and generally like battlebots.

          I went back and started re watching series 6 and the show misses the battle music so bad. I really feel like they have tried to make the show less gimmicky and more serious about the competition with the toned down arena hazards and house robots (remember the old series, the house robots played a massive part in every battle by coming in and destroying robots after they were counted out or robots using the cpz as arena hazards themselves), we have barely seen the house robots play any sort of part in this new series other than last night when matilda launched out King B.

          Dara is okay as a presenter I like how he gets stuck in in the pits but Craig Charles will always be robot wars for me and whatever new presenter comes in would always be compared to him but at least we still have JP on commentary. Speaking of JP is it just me or is the audio for his commentary off? It just sounds really low quality im not sure whats going on there.

          I still love the show though and it was always going to be different than it was back in 2004, I just hope for next year they tweak it a bit and add in some little things like the music during battles ect.

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          • #6
            I think the lack of house robot involvement and arena hazards partially reflects the fact we have proper 'robot people' in charge - I think a good proportion of roboteers prefer not having their robots destroyed after losing the fight!

            Personally the vast majority of the changes are fine with me, Ange and especially Dara are doing a great job and I just wish someone would spend even just five minutes with Jonathan Pearce telling him that 'armament' refers to weaponry and not to protection (I'd've preferred someone, anyone else, but...sadly it wasn't to be). It's not even felt all that trash talky, if anything it's felt like we've got to see more of each team's personality which has been good, but you can only control the audience reaction so much! Everyone I've seen that I've met had a fair representation imo...

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            • #7
              Does anyone have any links on where to put an application in for the next season as surely there has to be one coming up?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mageean12 View Post
                Does anyone have any links on where to put an application in for the next season as surely there has to be one coming up?
                We've been told to watch the official site (www.robotwars.tv) and their Twitter and Facebook pages for info on that, they've confirmed information will be available soon.

                I do agree JP needs no learn what 'armament' is, he's been using the word wrongly since basically the start of Robot Wars. But honestly to me, he's more integral to the show than Craig or Phillipa Forester ever was, and if he keeps saying it wrong but stays with the show, honestly I don't mind that much.

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                • #9
                  I really couldn't stand watching the original RW's (I made an exception for when we were on!) The cheezyness made my skin crawl!

                  The new series however is great! It's what it should have been like all along IMHO. I have to admit to being tempted to build Barber-ous 3!

                  Si

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bigsi View Post
                    I really couldn't stand watching the original RW's (I made an exception for when we were on!) The cheezyness made my skin crawl!

                    The new series however is great! It's what it should have been like all along IMHO. I have to admit to being tempted to build Barber-ous 3!

                    Si
                    Yeah I saw your post on the memoirs thread - I honestly can't say I agree though. I never found the 'cheesiness' that bad, especially compared to other game-type shows (which still exist today mind you). The production quality was high, the format was well-defined and functional, and it got people excited! Of course you're entitled to think what you want of the show, but what parts did you find cheesy exactly? Not to mention the show isn't taking itself entirely seriously even now with robots like Glitterbomb and Nuts (though no offence to the teams themselves of course).

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                    • #11
                      I didn't like the posturing. It felt like a vehicle for the promotion of Craig Charles - and the poor people who had slaved over a hot Lathe for the past year were rather secondary. Maybe it's just me, as an Engineer, but I was more interested in the people and the Robots themselves. The technology and ingenuity in the design - and some of it was damn good!

                      This series, IMHO puts the Robots & Builders centre stage and recognises the amount of work that they have put into building their creation.

                      I felt the running order (Original Series) of who fights who was rather rigged. I think they had decided who they wanted to see in the heat final and arranged the battles to make this happen. OK, they were chasing ratings - but it made it feel fixed. Particularly if you were directly on the receiving end of this.

                      I understand it's TV and it's for entertainment. I'd worked in the industry (BBC TV) and I knew how it 'worked' - but even still it felt contrived, if not out & out fixed!

                      The new series has a better structure with the points based system to determine who goes through and who fights who. They can still fix it a little by deciding who is in the first round, but after that, it's in the hands of the robots.

                      I think Dara is a much more convincing presenter. He is obviously interested & enthusiastic. That I could not say for Craig Charles.

                      However, I respect your right to disagree, but I hope I'm not in a minority and the show will continue beyond the first series!

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                      • #12
                        I'm reading this thread with interest because a lot of opinions are being shared and no one is "abusing" peoples views. I don't usual bother with posting my own opinion because i cannot find the time to place a decent argument for my views, but i get the feeling everyone is quite friendly so i'll post a few thoughts into the mix to see what comes of it.

                        As a first time builder the show format currently doesn't appeal to compete at this time, but i am still going to build and try to be ready in the next 2 - 3 months. I expecting to have my "remains of my bot handed to me "

                        I'd like to see a few things to even out the playing field and make the "sport" both entertaining but also provide more achievement in winning..

                        Battles should be determined live, so there is no "pre Determined fights " that way everyone needs to be ready to fight and you draw who you draw. ..

                        * Material Thickness and type limits, no titanium no military armour ( winners based on funding are not winners imo )
                        Some robots are so hard that there is no visible damage most of the time, or if there is, it is poorly represented in the show.

                        * No Pit - it doesn't show someone is a better driver, generally i've views most people ending up in the pit and bad luck or a matter of circumstance and we lose good robots to it for no reason ending in a shorter battle.

                        * Minimum Run times of 5 minutes, make the battles result in a clear winner, unreliable robots are untested robots no ? 3 minutes seems too short to do any actual damage or disable it by a single drop or impact.

                        * Music was brought up in the thread ? ..... Neither my Wife or I noticed its absence ! We both agreed this is the most interesting RW's has ever been.


                        I hasten to add its only a view, but having watched years of RW i do see a lot of things i think could be improved, but then if everyone was perfect 100% of the time it would be life F1.. a precession and boring and loose its appeal.

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                        • #13
                          [To Bigsi]
                          What's odd is that I agree with basically everything you said there. Perhaps not to the same extent, but I can definitely see where you're coming from. I do agree that there was not enough emphasis put on the work that went into the robots, or the ingenuity behind them. That said, I don't think there's a huge improvement this time. And now you mention it, the points system definitely does lessen the extent to which the show can control the placings of the robots in the heat final. It is, in that way, a better and fairer system. I don't know about Craig, for me the show never felt like it was about him, and he always at least seemed somewhat interested and engaged with the roboteers themselves. I think what ideally needs to be found is a balance between entertainment value, and respect and support for the Roboteers in the show and their machines. Honestly, man of science that he is, I think Dara could offer more insight than he currently seems to when he's talking to the teams, and perhaps if he stays on for further series he will. I think it's just difficult to get a presenter who is knowledgeable and enthused with the sport, but also excitable and energetic.
                          Anyway, thanks for your post, I can definitely see where you're coming from now.

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                          • #14
                            [R9000] - Thanks :-)

                            Originally posted by katch View Post
                            * Material Thickness and type limits, no titanium no military armour ( winners based on funding are not winners imo )
                            Some robots are so hard that there is no visible damage most of the time, or if there is, it is poorly represented in the show.
                            I agree with a reasonable amount of what you say here - except what you say about Armour! (I know a little about Balistic protection!). In the real world, you never see Titanium used as Armour - it's just not a good material for that. Armox & Hardox are good for certain types of projectiles - but can be shattered if the energy density is high enough (where mild steel will just deform)

                            Good armour doesn't need to be expensive - we used 10mm HDPE plastic and it was only actually pierced once by an axe - and then only a 5mm hole. The reason being that it was flexible and distributes the energy over a wider area (same principal as lamination or composite). Something hard and rigid sees a very high energy concentration and is more likely to shatter.

                            I would say let people use expensive cladding - it really isn't as big an advantage as good design!

                            Si

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by katch View Post
                              As a first time builder the show format currently doesn't appeal to compete at this time, but i am still going to build and try to be ready in the next 2 - 3 months. I expecting to have my "remains of my bot handed to me "
                              Wrong mindset if you ask me. It's the job of the team to hand the remains of the opponents machines to them.

                              I'd like to see a few things to even out the playing field and make the "sport" both entertaining but also provide more achievement in winning..
                              Several ideas are being used around the world. The German raptor class started like that, and the Aussie Sportsman class has the same basic idea.


                              Battles should be determined live, so there is no "pre Determined fights " that way everyone needs to be ready to fight and you draw who you draw. ..
                              Robot Wars is a TV SHOW, not a sportsmatch.

                              * Material Thickness and type limits, no titanium no military armour ( winners based on funding are not winners imo )
                              Some robots are so hard that there is no visible damage most of the time, or if there is, it is poorly represented in the show.
                              Wanna bet I can find armor materials that ain't military, nor expensive?
                              Also, buying new stainles steel can be more costely than scrounging Ti from Ebay.
                              And how do you quantify cost in the end? Is that with working time included?

                              * No Pit - it doesn't show someone is a better driver, generally i've views most people ending up in the pit and bad luck or a matter of circumstance and we lose good robots to it for no reason ending in a shorter battle.
                              Full sidewall to avoid OOTA's too then. In the end everybody will build US style machines.

                              * Minimum Run times of 5 minutes, make the battles result in a clear winner, unreliable robots are untested robots no ? 3 minutes seems too short to do any actual damage or disable it by a single drop or impact.
                              That just battery size.And that costs weight and money.

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