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[geoff]

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Joe,
Im looking into this one for both us!
Even if on the face of it the FRA rules dont exatly say you cant I think we may have a problem getting it passed certain event organisers! (Jonno take note, we demand the right to use tungsten carbide!!)

Geoff.

[craig_anto]

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yea and I wanna go to 48v like I had at robot wars

makes me wee beasty go a tad like the clappers

Ive got a mate who will testify Tanto on 48v has no trouble with obliterating curbs
Ive even got a certificate that says I work safely with forklifts which were 48v so Im even approved
now let us run 48v

please pretty please with sugar on top

[robotwars]

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im listening... with ear defenders on !!!!

jonno

[jamesb]

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JT, the arguement will no doubt be along the lines of.... when that tooth flies off (which it will sometime) at the speeds the disc runs, yu have a bullet sized piece of tungsten carbide travelling at bullet speeds (similar to subsonic 9mm armour piercing) you will need 10mm polycarb to say this is conatinable. who has that? not many of us.

Craig..... I think 60v was always a mistake, so Id say no to 48v, but thats cause I dont want 48v myself so nobody else should :P
just kiddn, I see no probs with it personally.

JB

[philip_taylor]

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What were the origonal FRA rules based on? Did you use the Mentorn rules, the American rules or some other place?

[grafix]

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The original RW rules were used but where ever possible they were relaxed. ie bottle sizes. RW rules were good but designed for arena use. We have to have a rule set that hopefully allows safe build, testing and opperating of potentially very dangerous equipment.

Mike.

[philip_taylor]

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Thanks for that Mike.

[philip_taylor]

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It has been put to me that the FRA has dishonestly used the RFL Extendable Tech Regs without giving credit to the RFL. (Not my words)

The people on this forum have been helpful to me and, if someone is speaking badly about you without cause, I would like to see it sorted out.

The evidence is, in short, that the RFL and FRA rules are extremely similar and the RFL published theirs first. How would you respond to this?

Please note. I am not trying to put anyone down. I simply want to stop any unfounded rumors. Thank you.

[anukhet]

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This is not the FRA response - this is mine and is based upon the claim as you have presented it here and/or has been presented to you.

In short, there is nothing illegal in each organisation having the same safety standards and rules. Just because the rules are extremely similar no evidence of plagiarism has been presented which could be contestable in a court of law.

[philip_taylor]

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Thanks Karoline. I dont know of anyone thinking of court action. I would just like to bring a rumor out into the open and have it sorted out.

I have been reading the Robot Wars website and the FRA web site for many years and have come to respect you guys (in the gender nonspecific use of the word guys). I dont want anyone to unjustifiably speak ill of you.

[babeth]

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Philip, this is also my personal opinion:

Whats wrong with common sense ? Is there a country that has the trademark on law like you shall not steal ? There isnt. Because practically all human societies tend to come to that somewhere in their history and this applies to many laws and customs.
So, it is the same within this sport: because the conditions are the same everywhere it is only logical that rules tend to be similar everywhere. And may even be similarely recorded.

Any rumour mongerer can be directed towards me and I will give him/her a piece of my mmind about similarity in evolution. This is really childish actually, or is there money involved ?

[philip_taylor]

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There is no money involved. I do not like people speaking behind other peoples back. I prefer to come right out and say this has been said is it true or false?

I guess it is childish. I would like it to stop and, to that end, was hoping to find a simple definite answer here so that I could stop the rumour.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

[anukhet]

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Just a thought......why not ask the person(s) perpetrating the rumour to present evidence of the alleged dishonesty? You might find that this kills it stone dead.

[philip_taylor]

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I did that is when he said

The RFL Rules are here
http://www.botleague.com/pdf/RFLTechRegs09.pdfhttp://www.botleague.com/pdf/RFLTechRegs09.pdf

the FRA rules are here
http://www.fightingrobots.co.uk/documents/buildrules.pdfhttp://www.fightingrobots.co.uk/docu...buildrules.pdf

The RFL rules were released a long time before the FRA rules were published.. have a look at them both and tell me the FRA rules *werent* taken from the RFL ones.

I have no idea why they would want to deny it. Some silly political motivation maybe ?

And in another post.

They are based on the standard US RFL Rules
(as are the FRA rules, even if the FRA is too dishonest to admit it )


There is only one person saying this and he is a good guy. He is very helpful to local roboteers and the biggest event organizer down under. I am not trying to hurt him or anything of that nature. I would just like to clear up this one issue.

I tried to find the Mentorn rule set that were modified to create the FRA rule set but have heen unsuccessful.

I have also asked the gentleman what rule set the RFL rules were based on as that could be the simple answer to this question.

[maddox]

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The people that started the rules now used for the FRA rules used the RFL and Mentorn rules as a base and guideline. Never forget that Mentorn used the Robotwars rules originating from the USA.
I guess that Derek and team used a variation on the original RW rules.

Unfortunatly it seems to me that another covered slandercampange is started to hurt the FRA.