student fees

[Thunder arrow]

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I went to uni, paying just over £3000 a year on fee's.
I think the rise in fee's is a good thing, hopefully making most the useless muppets who go to uni think twice about going!

how is it a good thing?
The vat is going up,food price are going up,so that will mean less money to spend on uni fee's. And if you do get a loan you are going to have to pay back so much more! If they want a job with no degres thery are going to get low pay jobs which older people will want because there are not many jobs about at are current state. If I go to uni at the rate now I will have to pay about 12000 to 20000 !


Theo

[widow_twanky]

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If they want a job with no degres thery are going to get low pay jobs

And there is the lie which has become 'reality' over the time of the labour government. I never did my degree until i was about 28 and i did it then because i wanted to.

I had this discussion with zach recently that you get paid well by working hard and normally if you do something to the best of your abilities then opportunities start to present themselves. Opportunity never walked in anyones front room and presented itself whilst someone was sat on their watching the jeremy kyle show. The point is you have to do SOMETHING!!

This applies to anyone. Irrespective of the legnth of education and irrespective of whether they can even spell the word degree or not!!

[robotwars]

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Its all bolotics !!!

I have never voted, and probably never will.... they are all a bunch of liars.... and once again its been proven.
Some say you cant moan if you dont vite, but i refuse to vote for someone i dont believe in, from what I understand, ( not much ) labour were set to raise the fees anyway, but now are trying to cover it up..

Hate politics, always have, always will..... they should make me priminister !!

The reason why my educational projects are so popular, and why I'm heavily involved with organisations such as Aim Higher and Setpoint is because of my history.

I started not wanting to go to UNI, did an apprenticeship, then decided I wanted to go to UNI, so studied a BTEC aswell at the same time. Went to UNI... loved it.... worked my placement year at NISSAN as a designer.... started RR for a year didn€™t go back. Year later went back and finished my degree aswell as running RR.

i don€™t necessarily use my degree now, but Nissan offered me a job, which I wouldn€™t have got without UNI, turned it down to do RR. But I know if i ever want to get a €œproper job€, I can because of my degree, a degree opens doors !!!

I always recommend people to go to UNI... changes your life, and makes you grow up. The fact is, its going to cost, but you just have to not think about it, as they wont ask you to pay it back straight away, and if you are paying it back it means your in a good job anyway !!


I think the damage and protests are stupid... what a bunch of *******ers !!

[RogueTwoRobots]

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If I go to uni at the rate now I will have to pay about 12000 to 20000 !

Welcome to reality mate. Even with my tuition fees paid for up here, I'm awaiting my next statement from the Student Loans Company informing me that my debt is now around £15,000.

Thing is though, you don't start making repayments on that until you're earning above £15,000 a year; small repayments if you're in a low-paid job, larger repayments in a higher-earning job. And because of your time spent at university and your qualifications, you are capable of coming out into a job around, say, the £22,000 mark, and if you work hard that salary can easily rise, so paying off the loan isn't too difficult financially (provided you don't blow your wages willy-nilly) even though it may take a while.

Grant makes an interesting point about higher fees maybe rooting out the useless muppets. Maybe if we paid fees up here, I would've dropped out/been kicked out of uni a good few years back, because I simply didn't work hard enough (numerous resits resulted in me taking five years to gain what is effectively a three-year qualification). I wasn't really mature enough and didn't really appreciate my position until the final year that I was there and that's when I started working harder and getting better results/gaining a better understanding of the subject matter. It was also, incidentally, my final year that I was surrounded by a group of friends who balanced out the socialising side of things with just as much studying in the lead up to exams, whereas previous years I hung out with folk who spent more time in the union than anywhere else. I don't blame them for me failing stuff, that was my fault, but just the difference in mindset that is gained from having study-minded people around is clearly evident.

I had this discussion with zach recently that you get paid well by working hard and normally if you do something to the best of your abilities then opportunities start to present themselves. Opportunity never walked in anyones front room and presented itself whilst someone was sat on their watching the jeremy kyle show. The point is you have to do SOMETHING!!

Again, something I took my time to realise at uni! Got through first year without really studying much, unintentionally took a similar approach in second year and it all dive-bombed from there
But it was a learning experience to say the least, and even though I was sick of my course after a couple of years, I started enjoying it again towards the end and the idea of going back in a few years and getting another degree in something else (tempted by robotics and cybernetics) is starting to appeal to me

[typhoon_driver]

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A reduction in fees for better marks sounds great until you think about the real world.

So I walk out of university with a 3rd class bachelors having the full wack of my fees, lets say 30grand plus another 10 for living through uni. Great, except most employers say they need a 2:1 minimum........ Ok so I'm then left paying through the teeth in most likely a dead end Mcjob because I didn't get the grades.

On the flip side, I walk out with a first, walk into a high paying graduate job and am able to pay off my much smaller loan in a far quicker time

Not entirely fair now is it?

The other problem with raising up fees is that you are saddled with a huge debt leaving university. Ok so we will use the same 40 grand debt figure as before. You go to a bank and ask for a mortgage. Ok says the bank, we will give you a mortgage of 3 and a half times your wage (lets say it's at the 20k mark), O but wait you have a 40k debt already? Ok lets subtract that from the amount we will give you in a mortgage and if you sign on the dotted line we will get you the 30K. Not many houses going for that kind of cash nowadays .

A hugely simplified version of events but no one has considered whether the banks will take a huge debt into account when it comes to loans etc in the future. Having a huge loan may cripple your chances of home ownership from the get go.

[anukhet]

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A 'graduate job' ....... an excuse to give a few smart-arses something to do.
Let them get their degree by earning the money for it 1st - experience of the real world will do them the power of good.

What I want to know is....... why can I not learn vocational skills? I am over 19 and don't have a job therefore not eligible for either an apprenticeship (fast track or otherwise) or NVQs. Adult education nowadays give me the choice of 101 methods of 'holistic therapy' but absolutely nothing to help me get new skills to find a bloody job!

[typhoon_driver]

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A 'graduate job' ....... an excuse to give a few smart-arses something to do

Thanks, I'll make sure to keep this in mind when I start my graduate job in September.

[Thunder arrow]

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Irrespective of the legnth of education and irrespective of whether they can even spell the word degree or not!!

don't care!!!!!!!
and typing on a iPod touch is hard when u r half asleep!!!!!!!!!!

[anukhet]

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...as I will keep it in mind when I sign on that, despite all my years of skills and experiences, I would dearly love to have a job handed to me on a plate instead of having to fight tooth and nail what precious little there is.

[grant_ploughbot]

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I dont get that bit, who's handed their job on a plate?

On gary's point of it not sounding fair if someone who gets a lower level of degree having to pay more of a loan, and those that do better paying less - My view is that it's perfectly fair. If your that desperate to get a good job (which is the whole point of getting in debt and spending another 3-5 years of your life in education) then its up to you to put that extra effort in to make sure it happens. Good things come to those who put in the time and effort to hget somewhere.

I left uni late in the second year due to having surgery - So I didnt end up graduating. But now, I have less debt (well, still 18k for 2 years) and I;ve now turned down 2 very good job offer's from work i've done outside of uni to carry on with Robo Challenge. I'm now contracted 1 day a week by another company for a good wage due to the work I've also done outside of uni.
It seem's to me that in most case's the degree is now not really worth much. It's all about experience and how you present yourself.

That might change when the student fee's rise, as hopefully you wont get the idiot's turn up because it's easier to sign upto uni that go to work (which I knew alot of people at uni like that).

It's like EMA, i've been hoping since I left school that they would get rid of that - unfair paying some people and not others.

[craig_colliass]

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The fact is people aren't employed out of some sort of social charitable attitude on the count of the employer. we are employed to either save money or make money.
Education and experience increases a persons employability, because used in the correct way that persons skill and knowledge will make the employer more money than it costs the employer to employ you.

A good Degree is a marketable asset in the workplace so the salary of a degree educated person will be higher. but the market for employment is not even, some industries are coming more into play and so more money for wages is made available. Also there is a shortage of certain skills the price for those skills goes up. for example a bricklayer may earn £18 per hour and a plumber earn £35 per hour, there skill may be of a similar level but the plumber earns more because they are in greater demand. The trick is to have the right qualifications and skills at the right time and in the right place...........................................Si mple

[psycho_fling]

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I started uni 2 and abit months ago and so far its been fantastic!!

i agree with some of the points made about some courses been very easy and students having very little work to do. id just like to point out that my course Bsc Product Design (often refereed to as industrial design) is around a 40hr a week course mixing working in uni, lectures and working away from uni.

i too thought long and hard about whether or not to go to uni. but my end job 'desire' product designer the only option is uni

my course is a 4 year sandwich course and for those not aware, that menas 2 years at uni then a year in industry (hopefully paid) then a final year before graduation

tbh i dont accept the comment A 'graduate job' ....... an excuse to give a few smart-arses something to do , the idea of uni is to go there get an education that real life or a normal job could possibly offer, after that you have to fight for jobs like mad. how many stories did we hear of early this year about graduates unable to find jobs clearly its not easy .....

[anukhet]

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Oh yes - EMA's.... I nearly choked when I found out what that was about

[calumco]

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with ema i've always said, everyone or non at all.

when i was at college i only got £10 out of the possible £30 and in my group everyone who got the £30 were essentially scumbags who only turned up to college for the money, and completly ruined it for everyone else who wanted to go and learn something, so with ema gone, they'l just go back to selling drugs or whatever, sounds harsh but i've met some total idiots in my time who i'd normally not even give the time of day to.

as for plumbers on 35 an hour and being in high demand - at the minute anyway thats really not the case. Every plumber i've met at work says how this will be the only job they've got on and its the worst they've ever seen it- but it was that line that lead me down the path of doing plumbing at college for a year and then end up not being able to get any job what so ever. Construction at the minute is completly dead, im working as a tiler and get paid litterally peanuts because of how things are at the moment. But then thats another thing people say they are going to university to get comeout and get a better job and to get better money but a tiler who used to sub to us, before the recession was putting 47 grand a year through his books and that wouldn't have been all his earnings either so you don't have to necesserally go to uni to come out with job that will pay well.

[RogueTwoRobots]

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you don't have to necesserally go to uni to come out with job that will pay well.

True point. For anyone reading this thread who's contemplating uni v no uni, just because you don't/didn't go to uni doesn't mean you can't end up in a well-paid job. Some of the wealthiest and most successful people around never had an extended education. In fact a lot of them say they left school at 16. Okay, so some of them found a gap in the market needing filled and saw very quick success but the others built up large organisations from small foundations. Anything is possible.