The Final at Brentwood event 2009

[gravity]

Re: The Final at Brentwood event 2009

Will look at the youtube thingy when I get back home, can't view youtube at work.

At one of the roaming robots events I was at (think it was Newark), at the end of a big fight the judges asked the drivers the show them the weapons were still working and the robot could effectively navigate across the Arena. If you could not do this, that would be counted as a big negative.

So, let's say both Thor and Iron-Awe scored the same amount of points during the fight, at the end Iron-Awe was disabled. It could not engage in effective combat.

[RogueTwoRobots]

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Self-righting from the pit was never allowed in the first place.

Hmm, debatable. I'm sure it's been in RR's rules for a while that you have ten seconds to get out the pit; Robo Challenge competitions give you 30 seconds to get out (only usually beneficial to flippers albeit). I don't think it's ever been a concrete rule that if you go in the pit you're immediately out. It's not an FRA rule so it comes down to event organiser discretion and, as Jonno has said, it's been in RR event rules for ages now. It did seem to be the case in Robot Wars that once you were in the pit you were out, but that pit was so deep and large that it would be very difficult for anyone to escape that.

The pit is an arena hazard in the same way as the floor flipper is. You don't get declared immobilised by being flipped (unless it break's your robot) so you perhaps shouldn't be immediately declared immobilised if you go down the pit. Teams should have a chance to be allowed to get back out, but within the set time limit.

To the battle in hand, and in my opinion, the win should have gone to Thor. Iron-Awe did manage to escape the pit - I made it to be in roughly 9 seconds, but couldn't see fully - but Thor immobilised both Maelstrom and Mega Mouse and by the end of the fight, Thor was fully mobile albeit with reduced weapon power but Iron-Awe appears to have lost drive on one side. To me, that should count as substantial damage as they cannot successfully manoeuvre their robot in for an attack. So Thor for the win for me.

BUT, I do know judges have to make quick decisions and that in any sport, judges' decisions can cause controversy and can occasionally be unjust or incorrect (look at the Liverpool match at the weekend where a goal was allowed after being deflected in off a beach ball!) so I'm disagreeing with the judges' decision but not going to slate them for it.

And as much fun as we have with the social aspect of events, perhaps the people who are sitting as judges should be limiting their alcohol intake?

[robotwars]

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well the robot rumble judges have always been a bit contriversial. However they have now been told that their services are now no longer required. So 2010 we dont have the same issues.

I've just watched the fight again. .sorry iron awe deserves the win by miles . They flipped every robot a million times. Thor's hammer couldn't crack an egg. They are the reining champ's and they have yellow paint. You know robots with yellow or green get lots of pointss

[swanaldo]

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Ok........ jason and I have watched the vid for the 50th time......we have timed how long ironawe was in the pit....assuming the crowd cheered because it flipped out....i see no other reason for the crowd chearing...... it was in the pit for near on 12 seconds.....case rested. Book closed.....Closet open....Cars ready.....End of....Done....finito......

We are happy about the fact we won with no doubt. Discuss all you like now his so called 10 seconds was infact 12. There is a clock on the youtube vid....we won YAY.

Robots with yellow on them are just lucky and the teams must ass kiss the judges before hand. Ripper.....PAH....Iron Awe.....PAH.

TEAMBUD RULES

[calumco]

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wheres this video, i wana see what all this talk is about

anyone have a link?

thanks

[widow_twanky]

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Thor's hammer couldn't crack an egg.

As a conselation trophy I might just bring alongs SMIDSY's shattered wheel hub to the next event for you Swanny! Have to say I was shocked when I took it apart to find out what the rattle was. Have a look here www.teamhydra.co.uk

Andy

[leorcc]

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It was indeed longer than 11 seconds, close to 12. It felt shorter though, so I can see that if you are a judge at the time you might think it was under 10 seconds.

[RogueTwoRobots]

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Here we are Calum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a813ojc-qA

[Guest]

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Personally I think it could have gone either way as far as a judge's decision goes... not sure about the pit matter.

Thor has to take it on damage for battering Mega Mouse, Maelstrom and damaging Iron Awe.
However I feel the other 3 categories go to Iron Awe, even if it is close. It was more impressive at the beginning of the match, and Thor failed to capitalise at the end.
Of course though damage IS the biggest factor... I wouldn't like to call it

And that's why I'm not a judge :P

[anukhet]

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I said at the time to John Bell & John Reid that this would be contraversial before the decision was even made to give the fight to Iron Awe.

Knowing how this particular judge scores goes a long way into why the decision went against you. IMHO when IA was part immobilised you did not take full advantage of that situation and PROVE that you could do anything you liked with them. I'm not talking about flipping them OOTA or creaming them against the side wall but just showing the judges that (1) You were in full control of your own robot and (2) you were in full control of the other one too :wink: As it happened you just sat there and waited for time to run out.

That particular judge rates style and agression very highly - at the moment IA became part-immobilised it was ahead on points by my reckoning, it COULDN'T do anything after that but you WOULDN'T do anything - that's why I think the decision went the other way.

[swanaldo]

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Hi karoline

the judge did indeed award the fight to Iron Awe. Shocked as i was because we thought we had the fight in the bag which is why we backed off toward the end....Still i said to the judge.....Why did you award the fight to Iron Awe....his reply was and i quote his words.... because i liked the way he got out of the pit how can you not award a win for that.

That to me is not judging the fight at all. There was 3 judges.....! awarded the fight to Thor....1 was actually drunk and the other ...... well we could have smashed all the robots and killed MD and still drove agressive toward the end and Sucked his lolly pop he would still have awarded the fight to Iron Awe because he liked it getting out of the pit.

Which makes your above statment flawed.

[robotwars]

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LOL

another camera angle !!

http://www.youtube.com/user/roamingrobots

JOhn
www.roamingrobots.co.uk

[swanaldo]

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Well from that angle i count almost 12 seconds. Thats nearly 2 more seconds than your so called pooey pit rule.

It doesnt matter what angle you look at it Thor won.

Thor is the true champion of Robot Rumble 2009.

Case closed and put on top of the wardrobe to gather dust.

[anukhet]

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Flawed? No!

I did say IMHO - what the judge had to say for themself is another matter

[razerdave]

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Well I've had a look at that fight for myself, and I would personally call that a win for Thor, simply due to legal immobilisation. If the fight had missed out the pit issue completely, I would still give Thor the win, HOWEVER there is barely a point between them, considering all other factors of Style, Control, Damage and Aggression. The judges desicion should have encompased all main points in the fight, and in my mind immobilising 2 robots counts considerable.

Also, regardless of if the axe couldn't crack an egg it is still an agressive action.

Just my 2 cents.

Just a thought with the pit rule, does it vary between each EO ? I've seen The Saint crawl out of the pit after 10 seconds and carry on to win, but I think that was an RL event. Just curious.