FRA elections 2009

[tim]

FRA elections 2009

Alex,

as a member of the FRA in 2008 you are eligible to vote for each of the forthcoming election positions

Voting will be done by email which will be sent to all eligible email addresses as registered on your membership form. This will be on or around the 6th February and details of how to complete the vote will be included with this email

[craig_anto]

FRA elections 2009

In response to Alans offer we wont be offering the same at Rebel Robots

Ive read Eds Policies and I cant help thinking theyre the right words (sort of) but the wrong person I think some of his policies could be implemented a lot quicker than in his timescale,

I think that Ed should be reinstated to the forum so that he can have his say, its pretty one sided if only Geoff can put his point across to the masses and Eds message is passed on by others who happened to get the email

The Role of the president should be a figurehead, to only cast a vote on tied agendas to hand out trophies, kiss babies and steer the FRA by their public profile,

[stu]

FRA elections 2009

Well its all depressing anyway. shame really.

Stu

[andy_kane]

FRA elections 2009

To all FRA member teams.
--------------------------------------------------
The FRA has received a self nomination from Mr E Hoppitt to be entered in to our forthcoming elections for the office of president.

The FRA has rejected Mr Hoppitts application on the grounds that that it is not clear on whether Mr Hoppitt is an event organiser. According to our constitution event organisers are specifically excluded from holding an FRA governing body post.

Contrary to the premature issue of of Mr Hoppitts manifesto and in it a claim that it only takes three votes to create an FRA rule change or decision, we have taken the opportunity to publish the document and poll results of the FRA governing body on this matter.
--------------------------------------------------
To create or change anything in the FRA the constitution states that a quorum of 5 governing body members is needed. Temporary decisions can be made by the FRA executive then refferred to the whole governing body for their deliberations and decision at the earliest opportunity.

Results of the poll on the document below.

There are 8 possible governing member votes to be cast plus a casting vote from the existing President should there be a tie.

7 governing body members used their vote in the poll.

The result was 7-0 for the option 2 motion and for motion 3, 6 for and 1 against.

--------------------------------------------------
Dear All,
As you are aware Mr Hoppitt has thrown his hat into the ring for the office of president of the FRA.


Some of you have voiced your opinions in not allowing Mr hoppitt to stand.

Where we are today is.

Mr Hoppitt was expelled from the FRA as per your voting wish some time ago.

Mr Hoppitt is trying to organise an event this year.

In the past we have dealt with Mr Hoppitt as an event organiser.

We need as a body to decide on a course of action and would appreciate if you could for either of the options below and mail back your decisions to the governing body as a whole.


1, To allow Mr Hoppitt to stand for office with restricted in put to our forum.


2, To refuse Mr Hoppitts nomination as he contravenes our constitution as an event organiser. ( I am told written evidence can be supplied)



If your option is 2 could you answer item 3 with a for / against or no comment please?

3, Allow Mr Hoppitt the right of appeal to the new governing body when in office to regain full FRA privilages and to rerun the election for the presidents position subject to the new governing bodies wishes and a guarantee that Mr Hoppitt is no longer an event organiser.


It would be appreciated if you could reply ASAP as nominations close at midnight today.

I have included the two accepted nominees for FRA office in this mail so that they can start to see the processes that we have in place and so a background knowledge can be gained should the candidates win their election. The nominees are not allowed to vote on the questions above how ever if you have any questions please write to me. For the record the writer does not vote on the above unless a tie needs a casting vote.

Regards

Andy

--------------------------------------------------

The above document may lead to questions on the content, if you could hold off for a few hours our outgoing president will post personally and perhaps answer the potential questions.

[kronic]

FRA elections 2009

Call me psychic cause I knew that would happen! Ed, dont take no for an answer. Youre the best chance the FRA has of surviving. Fight the machine!!!

[swanaldo]

FRA elections 2009

Dave can i say my opinion as you have yours.

Ed isnt the best chance of the FRA surviving at all. The FRA has the best chance if everyone supported it no matter who is in the chair and who is president.

Can you explain why you knew that would happen?????

[kronic]

FRA elections 2009

Cause I know how this committee deals with things

[swanaldo]

FRA elections 2009

Tim Bence, Trevor wright, Karoline Pannell, Geoff Smith, Kane Aston, Leo Van Miert (i wont say Mr Kane because i know you dont like him) are all on the committee. Do you suggest they all deal with things in an unfair way and they as a committee did wrong?

[swanaldo]

FRA elections 2009

sorry i forgot a couple....Tony Sommerfield...Steve Johnson...Mike Lambert...there are more but cant remember.

[andy_kane]

FRA elections 2009

First of all I am speaking as a member roboteer only and not in my capacity of out going FRA president.

I will be pleased to have ended my 3 terms as FRA president. It will give me the freedom to speak freely as against being self gagged as a servant of the FRA governing body.

The new executive will also have this problem despite protestations of a new dawn when campaigning for your votes

I want to list one achievement, and that is we are still here and robot fighting.

One of the critisms of my tenure is communication with all members, hands up, guilty.( I put it down to my lack of the skills required, useing computors and the internet.)
This is another reason why I am going, the FRA needs someone in high office with the right skill set to correct this defficiency.

As the new presidents role is to change with the chairmans role becoming the real leader of the FRA and this makes this Chairmans election a very important one.

I believe the skill set required is,
1, To be personable.
2, To be able to converse in writing
3, To recognise potential safety problems and deal with them efficiently.
4,To be better than the average human at computor skills and the internet.
5, Try and be a good diplomat.
6, Recognising that they are a servant of the governing body.
--------------------------------------------------
To answer possible queries regarding the FRA post above

Mr Hoppitt was expelled from the FRA as per your voting wish some time ago

1, Mr Hoppitt for some reason known only to himself was found to be lying to the FRA governing body regarding the size of the FRA website he stated because he was hosting it free on our behalf and it was to big to be moved cost effectively.
( Thanks were expressed, the FRA was not ungrateful to Mr Hoppitt for setting up the site just could not understand why he seemed to be wanting a hold /power over the roboteers on this matter)
Furthermore Mr Hoppitt was a moderator of this forum and had been caught changing a post without the FRA executives knowledge but when it happened a second time and at the same time as investigations were being conducted on the website size the governing body deemed that Mr Hoppitt was abusing his position and removed him from post for lying to them and as a sanction removed posting rights on this forum, effectivly expelling him from the association.

When the forum was moved to this site it turned out to be half the size that Mr hoppitt was leading all to believe, and it cost us nothing more than we were already paying for the front part of this site.


2, Mr Hoppitt is trying to organise an event this year

I am informed that there is evidence to support the above statment until its seen, I cannot inform you whether its a true allegation or a false one.

3,In the past we have dealt with Mr Hoppitt as an event organiser

From a safety point of view one of the worst EOs if not the worst at not recognizing hazzards.

If I was to comment on Mr Hoppitts skill set it would be as follows
1, To be personable. (Not in his nature)
2, To be able to converse in writing (excellant)
3, To recognise potential safety problems and deal with them efficiently.( Would not recognise or understand a potental problem)
4,To be better than the average human at computor skills and the internet.(he can do this)
5, Try and be a good diplomat.(no chance)
6, Recognising that they are a servant of the governing body.(Would not rcognise this concept)

In essence I do not regard this gentleman as a fit and proper person to hold any office in the roboteers organisation.

point 1 being the main reason together with his little posts over another event organisers thread on the pretext of helping out, only to cause absolute mahem for the innocent organiser.

For once I am a voter in these elections and as a voter I am surprised at Mike Hamiltons-Macy endorsement of Mr Hoppitts campaign.
It smells like a start of a little club to me, I wonder who else in the club is going to appear next out of the woodwork.

I also understand that a couple of our members are also endorsing Mr Hoppitts campaign and would welcome them to post this forum, their view of this fine upstanding character that is Ed Hoppitt.

The name dropping of the RFL commissioner in his manifesto could lead folk thinking that Mr Hoppitt has an endorsement from David Calkins.
David Calkins would not interfear or endorse anybody or any thing in UK elections.

To the moderators- You are probably going to get a bit hot under with this post but I am willing to stand by any allegations I have made.

To my fellow members- I would recommend that you keep an eye on a potential little clique taking over your association on the pretence of bringing us all together, because I can assure you robot life under a minority view would not be great.

To the FRA governing body- It has been a pleasure to work with you all. The spread of views has always been there but when it matters in my opinion the correct decisions have been made for the good of our sport.
I have just two months to complete in office and would appreciate a reasonably quiet time similar to that we have had this last eighteen months which has been due to the lack of Mr Hoppitt trying to control your agenda with crap

[cliveb]

FRA elections 2009

Is that a resignation speech then Andy?

[kronic]

FRA elections 2009

Im not suggesting that at all, Im just voicing my support for Ed. The committee deal with things as they see fit, I was just saying that Ed would be barred from applying for the position because of his previous dealings with the committee.

[swanaldo]

FRA elections 2009

I also believe there is something going on that we dont know about. I have spoken to ED on msn and have given my position and where i stand. I said to him that if there were any sort of corruption then i would make it clear and expose it on the forum.

I dont know if it true or not but i believe there is something going onregarding EDs campaign. Lets face it there was a nice election going on and suddenly ED pops up and there is disrupption. There was what seemed to be Tim Bence being biased toward Ed on the voting going on which i whitnessed. Others MUST agree with me on this one.

If i were banned from the fra i would be quiet and proove myself that i have changed. then i would apply to the fra to ask to be reinstated as a fra member. then i would prove to everyone that i had good intentions. after a while i would if i felt it right at the time run for a rep.

Ed has been quiet for ages but to come in with a bid for the president of the fra......it just doesnt seem right. i believe there are a certain few who want to take over the fra and ruin the whole sport because they wouldnt have the sport at heart, just selfish reasons of power.

Mike you are i think being biased toward ED by campaigning for him. I therefore will be behind Kane Aston and his campaign. he has been doing robots since day 1 and he has earnt his place by being the most unbiased person i have ever met and its he who will take the sport forward and i will back him all the way. i will stand by Kane Aston and no-one else. I have made my choice and thats where i stand.

Andy i have had harsh words with you in the past and i thankyou for putting up with me. you have done a great job on the committee and from what i have seen you are actually fair in what you do. and yes i did have my doubts but now i wish you were stopping on.

Sorry Ed but your campaigning on msn to get me on your side hasnt worked. nice try.

If you knew what i knew then you would vote Kane Aston for the chairmans job and Geoff Smith for president.

I hope everyone votes with the sport at heart and not just for power and vengence.

[geeza]

FRA elections 2009


2, Mr Hoppitt is trying to organise an event this year

I am informed that there is evidence to support the above statment until its seen, I cannot inform you whether its a true allegation or a false one.


Maybe the committee should ask Ed wether it is true before making a final decision on this. If it is true then the rules have to be followed, Im sure Ed will understand this even if he disagrees.

[ady]

FRA elections 2009

their is talking the talk, and walking the walk.

i have read everything above and on EDs site, and even though i dont know Mr Hoppit he wouldnt get my vote. it would take a bit more than a fancy write up to get my vote. and for whatever reason he is banned from the forum i cant vote for someone who from my part has had so little input recently? perhaps im missing something? i agree that he should of held his hands up (if he did anything wrong) or at least tried to wipe the slate clean to get back on the forum and win peoples confidence, not jump in head first. that type of person couldnt get my vote. sorry.
Currently i agree with shane,GOD i cant believe i just said that and i know exactly where my vote is going!

VOTE Kane and Geoff

(Message edited by ady on February 01, 2009)