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[blazerbotics]

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Look Guys,

At the end of the day, two companies went in for the same event (just as they did for the UK champs), the Space Centre chose which option to go for, if John was under the impression that he had a deal in place, then that€™s between him and the venue. Before we quoted we checked with the Space Centre that no deal already existed. If John has any problems with the circumstances, then he is welcome to contact us.

We have just had an email from the space centre, and I quote;

€œAs you might be aware there seems to have been a bit of mis-understanding between my colleague Malika and Roaming Robots, it was not our intention to mess anyone around or play you guys off against one another. I hope no bad feelings are created because of this.€

Seeing as it seems to be only a few members that are upset by the result, these opinions and views shouldn€™t be put on a public forum, which is why I€™m not going to comment on any of the above statements. If anybody has any questions or concerns, please feel free to get in touch.

As John said, there is a large commercial part now involved within our hobby, this side should never really involve the teams, but has given the community a choice. We decided at the end of 2006 that there was a need for another heavyweight arena; with support from many roboteers we decided to go ahead with it ourselves (I know if we hadn€™t of built one there were at least one other company planning to run one). The competition between EO€™s has benefited the sport in many ways, with bigger and better shows being ran, it has also seen many upgrades and changes to the both arenas, most of which probably wouldn€™t have happened without the added competition.


Alan

http://www.robotslive.co.ukwww.robotslive.co.uk

[swanaldo]

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you go girl...

[stu]

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I quote again -
I know full well that if the situation was reversed and RL was involved with space centre for years and Roaming Robots were in contact with them, John F would NOT pursue to try and take over the event and kick RL out. It€™s not John€™s nature and he has higher more respectable morals than other people it seems in this community.

Shows whos too nice for the community and whos out to spike others for money.

Mr Stu

[swanaldo]

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a few members upset. just cos its me and mr stu that show our views on here i tell you this.....there are more people unhappy with your move than you think. dave i understand you are in love with the youngs and i am in love with the findlays. i dont want to fall out with you personally. its just low down money grabbing decieving people with zero morals i dont like.

[swanaldo]

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i spent a lot of time and effort talking with jonno to pursuade him to attend robots live events and how much it could bring the community together. he of course decided to go and he actually enjoyed it and was planning to attend more. wether he does or not now i dont know. its things like this that upset me the most. behind the scenes there is so much more that goes on that is posted here good and bad. robots live do this and how do you expect me to feel after trying so hard to mend wounds. its just a pointless excersize i now know. i really dont know who i am posting this to but just wanted to get across why things insence me. and i know i cant spell. those that know me best know i mean no harm but also know i have strong feelings and morals.

[swanaldo]

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i will also admit i am a very very close friend of jonno and his family and have been for years. i have hidded this fact and have listened to peoples comments on him and his business too much. deny that dave young. jonno knows what you say about him and his events cos i have told him. he gets upset and sometimes wants to quit but then why should he. he has things planned for the future and all is looking rosie. sorry jonno for posting this but its my feelings not yours.

[lex]

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I would mildly suggest that based on the comments in this thread so far, the main cause of any conflict would appear to be The Space Centre staff being unprofessional, or least vague, about the status of the arrangement (or lack of it) with RR. On the face of it it seems more likely that this is the case than deliberate sabotage. With respect Shane, although youre obviously entitled to your opinion, whether RL or the Young family merit your outrage depends on what their understanding of the situation and their intent actually was. You dont really know that. Nor do I of course... If The Space Centre led them to believe that there was no contract in place with RL- as the copied email above suggests- then from an ethical point of view RL tendering a quote seems reasonable enough. That said, given previous upsets it might have been an idea for RL to check RRs understanding of the situation to avoid any possibility of this kind of conflict. Business is business of course, but I think it is unwise and insensitive- not to mention devisive- for an EOs not to check with each other if theres a possibility of conflicts with venues or dates. Itd certainly make for a happier community. All just my opinion of course...

John.

[big_nipper]

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The 17/18th May 2008 Roaming Robots Space Centre, Leicester threads in the Live Events and Live Events Discussions area have been removed at the request of the event organiser.

[leorcc]

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quote:

The 17/18th May 2008 Roaming Robots Space Centre, Leicester threads in the Live Events and Live Events Discussions area have been removed at the request of the event organiser. Which one?

I think John W. and John F. are both saying the same thing, and I would agree with that. The main blame is bad communication with the venue.

(Message edited by leo-rcc on March 05, 200

[tom_kane]

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quote:


17/18th May 2008 Roaming Robots Space Centre, Leicester

[kodster]

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Taking a look at the posts above, I sort of get the picture here, and I am inclined to agree with John W. as well. If The Space Centre did not handle their dealings with Roaming Robots in a professional manner, then it seems unfair to put all the blame on Robots Live and let The Space Centre get away with it.

[ady]

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not that i know whats going on but all that springs to mind is competition is healthy in business it helps keep you on your toes, i would blame the space centre personally from what i have read. but i dont know the full story. i would love to see e.os work together on an event it would be one hell of a show with all your gear you guys have.

[leorcc]

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Tom, since RL took over the event of that location the EO could also have been RL.

[swanaldo]

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yeah sure it is. of course its bad communication. thats why if the venue did contact rl or rl contacted the venue with or without a signed agreement in place its still wrong diddly wrong from wrongton street, wrongsville. planet wrong. the thing point you miss is that robots live should have got in touch with roaming robots and discussed the situation. but they didnt.

kody you advertise an fan fic event called death to all event. i then do the same event called death to all and then the fra say to you that you cant run your event cos i am doing it. you would have thought i would have contacted you about it and disussed it. but i thought NOOOOO. i dont like you kody so sod you i will just go ahead with it.

jonno has the event. the venue then contact robots live. robots live know jonno is doing the event but the venue says to robots live can you do it cheaper. then robots live say yes we can but dont phone jonno and tell him whats going on as its his event. sod him we dont like him. lets face it if they did have anything about them and thought about what damage it will do they would have at least done something like phone or mail jonno. there are no excuses about blaming the venue and bad communication. so i conclude that the youngs intention was to do the event without letting anyone know till they had it in the bag. if you ask me the only decent thing to do is let the venue suffer and no-one do the event. if its the case that the venue did do deliberate sabotage and the robots live know what they have done is wrong then pull from the event and discuss it with roaming robots and come to a mutual agreement. but this is a cruel world and it aint gonna happen is it. MONEY really is the root to all evil.

[Mouldy]

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In all fairness i doubt very much that the venue give a tod about the roboteering community shane, they just wanted to save a few quid..