FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

[simon_windisch]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

Well Im a newbie, and it all seems a bit odd. Were all so friendly (admittedly a smaller group) on http://www.robotwars101.org/phpBB/http://www.robotwars101.org/phpBB/ that its a bit of a shock to hear about legal action being taken!!! Come one, just sort it out amongst yourselves, and (although this sounds like it might be a big jump for some) stop being so darned secretive about everything. Just post draft rules and stuff, if youre on the side of right then people will go with what youre trying to do. Treat people like adults, a lot of us here (not me admittedly) have important responsible jobs and are capable of being objective. And lastly (and in complete agreement with Craig) be calm.

Simon

[craig_anto]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

Kane Aston, still my question is, how can you ,as a rep approve a document if your electors cant give their view?
Guessing wont do Im afraid

Kane ive been in your region uptil august, also im an original member of the FRA and you norr your predasesor have ever ask me as a memeber of you region what my opinion is, it is your job to find out the opinion of the people u represent, as it was my job to represent the views and opinions of the antweigths while i was Antweight FRA rep.

[maddox]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

Mario, this is what the forum and meetings like the AGM are for.

Leo, we have not publicised the agenda previously and I dont personnally believe there was reason to publicise this agenda either. It was an internal document so that those attending the meeting knew what was what. I am pretty sure that in future we will be publishing the agenda as it seems quite clear that that is what many want.

Kane Aston. I agree that the forum and the meetings are meant to ironing out bugs, difficulties and problems with potential new rules.
Why all the fuss about the linked AGM 17 proposals?
There is absolutely nothing in them that couldnt be discussed and agreed upon. Why keeping this agenda hidden from the non rep members?

As I mentioned before. Tims application to test the A123s was a serious mistake, as he never applied for that. KOS did.... and he isnt mentioned. Those things could be ironed out in a open forum discussion.

But what we see now is the fact certain people are using legalese to justify their actions keeping the agenda from the members.

Problem is, once is a coincidence. Twice suspicious. Trice, fecal matter hitting an air displacement device.

My main issue. Compared to the old Mentorn Rules the FRA rules didnt change much, except wording.

Real changes over the years.

Battery technology. LiPo is limited to feathers. And the newer inherently safer Lithiumnanoferrophosphate is still, after 3 years of real life experience, in debate. Only certain people can test them.

Limited CO2 consumable. 2 KG of CO2 is Free.

With a new rule pending that even strips those 2 kg. Forgetting the fact that to store CO2 you need a very heavy tank, what cant be part of your robot. In effect disadvantaging CO2 users. When everybody else goes in @100 kg and comes out 100kg CO2 users are mandated to put in 3 to 10 kg of storage bottle , to come out at 98 to 94 kg.
The current rule is a useable middle path.

Hydraulics. Pressure was raised. The reasoning behind it modern hydraulics are build to withstand 4000 psi and better. (REMOVED BANNED WORD). Commercial hydraulics come in different flavors. Tailgate lifters operate normaly at 160-180 bar, with some dropping to 120 and someraise above 200. And yes, I can prove this. Im a goddamned certified taillifter expert of a certain brand.
Also, Enerpack brigdemoving lifters can achive pressures over 700 bar safely. Perfectly commercialy available.
A modern minidigger operates at 350 bar, with a 50 hp 4 cylinder diesel powering a swashplate plunger pump.(as what Razer used.)

Power Led. Wow, we have a possible means to see if a robot is powered.

(Message edited by maddox on October 13, 2007)

(Message edited by big_nipper on October 14, 2007)

[babeth]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

For those who dont visit Facebook, the following is a posting of Dave Lang there. I hope people wont be angry about me doing so but I think its important.

Dave Lang (Plymouth) replied to Sams post on Oct 11, 2007 at 5:42 AM
Its not the FRA threatening, its a certain member of it. The documents weren,t copyrighted (there was no copyright message on them anywhere) but I was told that they were copyrighted but they were not marked as such (yeah, odd)

I was not told to keep them private but I was asked to remove the AGM minutes because they were not released (which I did straight away), and I also moved the agenda in to the backroom so that no public could see it (the backroom being another thing which this person hates)

I was also asked to remove the agenda, which i refused to do because I wanted the people in my area to be able to read and comment on them before the meeting.

Yesterday I was demanded to remove the agenda. I have no idea why. Theres nothing that bad in it, and its posting on the robotforum actually brought up some varied and interesting discussions on the FRA forum.

I was also threatened with legal action regarding some of the content of the postings. I did actually edit some of the postings to reomve any names but apparently this was not enough. I was told in no uncertain terms that if anything got put on the forum which this person found to be making them look bad then I personally would be sued for damages.

Its really p**sing me off so I decided to quit the FRA for good. Ive deleted my FRA account, closed the robotforum and resigned as rep for good. All this is because of one person. Its been making me ill. Ive had a headache for the past 2 days because of this as its causing me so much stress.

[Guest]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

Message from Dave Lang:

In response to the posting from Andy Kane:

I believe that Dave may have taken the view that it was easier to close the site than to censor the written content, ie do the exact opposite of why the site was set up for in the first place

The reason I closed the robotforum site was because of the following quote I received in an e-mail from Andy Kane this week...

Quote:

To day I stopped an actual solicitors letter heading your way from one of our members (not me), but have only managed to delay it.

The member has asked me to relay a message to you and that is If ever the robot forum appears in an open working form on the internet again, the start of legal action against you will be automatic

This was the reason that the forum was taken offline and not because I do not want to sensor postings. Tonight I have put the robotforum back online and will keep an eye on any postings (as much as I can). Anyone using it will need to read the rules for the forum (a link from the main screen). If anyone has any problems with any of the postings then there is a report this posting button on the top of EVERY post. If you would like a posting removed, simply click the report this post button and an e-mail will be sent to all of the moderators then the posting can be dealt with swiftly and easily.

Note: The agenda has been removed from the robotforum as requested, and any postings amended/deleted.

Reporting of posts is the same on the robotforum as on most forums on the internet.

Regards

Dave Lang
PS: Apologies from having to post from Debbies account. I have deleted my FRA account in protest to the treatment I have received over the robotforum.

[woody]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

On the face of it a member sending a solicitors letter seems way OTT!
But as always... enough information isnt available.

[john_frizell]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

Dave, I am very sorry to hear you have decided to quit the FRA for good. It would be a loss for all of us. I hope you will reconsider.

[godlike]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

am message from shane swan

mr andy kane you said i would be allowed to post on the forum on saturday. its now sunday and i still cant post. why am i still banned.

[godlike]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

a message from shane swan

when i said andy kane said i would be allowed it wasnt actually like that. ed hoppitt has sent me a mail getting ready to pounce. please ed dont involve me in your petty squabbling with mr kane. like i said i look forward to meeting you again.

it was more like me pestering andy kane to let me back on the forum not andy kane saying i would be allowed. there mr ed hoppitt will you stop mailing me now.

a message from jason

let him on so he stops pestering me

[andy_kane]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

To Debbie Pope,Your mail is misleading the users of this forum.

It is factually incorrect

[Guest]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

Ok, so the forum was closed just before that message was received, but it was the legal threats which caused it to close down, then remained closed after that actual message was received

(Message edited by BigDebs on October 14, 2007)

[tough_as_nails]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

Anyone interested now in a Dutch/Belgium event?

[swanaldo]

FRA reps meeting (on the 13th Oct 207)

yeah jeron team bud will come if it goes ahead