Proposals from the RFL

[maddox]

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If the RFL makes remarks like that, Im not that impressed.

I myself, with my aversion of flying, and no active robot except Malankaia Baba Yage wont suffer from the rule changes.

The worst that can happen to me, and a lot of Uk/Dutch/German roboteers is that the FRA accepts the restrictions and rules on pneumatics as set by the current RFL regulations.

[woody]

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Mario ....its only an individual posting on the RFL Forum.

[maddox]

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Its also my personal posting Woody. I could edit my posting, but I do not see the non involvement of the RFL in this.

If geoff or Andy would make a remark like that, it would be equaly seen as a FRA opinion.

[geoff]

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Dont worry Mario, there is no chance of that happening...
Ill just have to pursuade the RFL to addopt our regulations!! :wink:

[leorcc]

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Its interesting to see how the opinions have shifted since 2004, reading back the Encouraging International Competition / Harmonizing Rules Thread.

[Mouldy]

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Just an off-topic quetion to anyone who knows the answer?

Robot wars started in America..So thats were the weight rules started. How come the English robot wars rules and the American robot wars weight limits were different to start with?

[woody]

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http://members.toast.net/joerger/whowon.htmlhttp://members.toast.net/joerger/whowon.html
They never were really constant......sort of changed and evolved.
I believe we started out with the same weight as the U.S. had in 1997.....
http://www.rexx.demon.co.uk/robotwars/wedgehog/Rules.htmhttp://www.rexx.demon.co.uk/robotwar...ehog/Rules.htm
Finally upped to the new weights in 2001?

[john_frizell]

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Hiow many combat robots are there in the world? Here is a guestimate. Hard information and informed guesses that help to refine this would be interesting.

In the USA alone: there are 339 robots of featherweight or heavier which have been active in the last 18 months. This does not include the classes of 1 lb, 3 lbs and 12 lbs which are the most popular classes on the basis of number competing (although not necessarily in audience reaction.) See http://www.botrank.comhttp://www.botrank.com, for a full listing of robots which have fought in the US in last 18 months. There are 557 below 30 lbs, not including 50 ants (150 g). The list of those over 30 lbs is:

30 pounds - 70 bots
60 pounds - 74 bots
120 pounds - 114 bots
220 pounds - 57 bots
340 pounds - 24 bots


total 339

In Australia there are 72 feathers (30) pounds, plus an unknown number of other machines, which might be zero, its not clear (http://rankings.robowars.comhttp://rankings.robowars.com) if they have other weight classes.

That gives a total of 411

I would guess that in the UK we have 50 heavies and 100 feathers which have been active in the last 18 months, for a grand total of 561. To this we need to add robots from the Netherlands, Sweden, Germany and further afield - Korea, Brazil, etc. Say 600 in all. [We might be able to double that figure if we count robots that have not been active in the last 18 months - there were a lot that were built for Battlebots and Robot Wars resting in basements and garages.] There are probably 10,000 sumo robots in Japan but we are only looking at combat machines of featherweight and over here.

So if we look at the 600 active machines of featherweight and over they are distributed as follows:

US 57%
UK 25%
Australia 12%
Rest of world 7%

Total 101% (rounding errors)

Is this an accurate picture of the world of fighting robots?

[psychostorm]

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quote:

http://members.toast.net/joerger/who...er/whowon.html

[leorcc]

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Is this proposal going to be voted on, and if so, when?

There are voices in the DRG and GRA who would like to have this debate voted on so they can get on with building in the weight limit that is going to be set (one of them being me).

[anukhet]

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The last bit of Geoffs post of Saturday, 22 July, 2006 - 1:09 pm:
quote:

As to a time scale, first the FRA/DRG/GRA will need to formaly discuss and vote on the changes. Once this has happened our constitution requires that any changes to the specifactions will not take effect for a further 3 months to allow teams to make any changes to their machines.
So Im fairly certain that there will be no changes before early 2007.
As to when those formal discussions take place - it certainly wont be before the UK Champs.


(Message edited by anukhet on July 31, 2006)

[armadrillo]

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As i posted above - The sooner the better.

I am thinking i will finish my feather to 13.6kg as a can see the change not happening. The only trouble is , if i do that i wont be able to go to a couple of rounds of the Winter tour as i hoped because ill be overweight.

A speedy resolution to this issue is a must!

Chop chop :wink:

[grant_ploughbot]

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i think if the limit does go up, ill just fight with ploughbot as it is, and make another machine to 13.6kg.

[dcalkins]

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Im actually thrilled to see this much discussion - even with the included disention.

The goal is of course to have one rule set in all countries. Not just weights. But I figure that we do it step by step, not one giant leap. With this much discussion on just weights, imagine how much there would be if we included penumatics, etc.

I do agree that the RFL should update its pneumatic policies, so thats something you can see us giving in on... ALthough many other weight classes are changeing for the RFL -presuming the FRA, GRA, and DRG do the same (Australia and Brazil currently follow RFL rules.)

If we can pass this, we can then start on pneumatics, flames, etc.

While a great many builders will not compete in other countries, the goal of this measure is for the long term growth of teh sport - other people WILL cross-sompete, and we as a collective group will all be taken more seriously be the media, sponsors, and new builders if everyone has teh same rules. I offered teh weights as a start. While I fundamentally dont care what the weight classes are, I do care that theyre consistent - and I fundamentally believe that this will help us all. So I proposed wight classes which used the best of all groups and tried to use even intergers when displayed in both lbs and kilos (which if anything, is a nod towards your end of teh pond.)

Its also something that should be done while there are FEWER bots, not MORE...

Anyway, I appreciate everyones interest in this - and especially the support its getting. I think working toegther is in everyones interest, and I look forward to working even more closely with you guys as we move forward.

David Calkins
RFL Commisioner, (et al.)

[leorcc]

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Well, in the RFL forum for some reason beyond me there has been some dissention all of a sudden.

quote:

I consider it a dumb request to ask the largest population of robots with the longest standing stable set weight standards to change to the few that were too stupid to select their weights on existing standards. That is what I consider.
-Dick