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[steven_mcg]

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Hmm...iffy...

For ASANSMSADB, the only real thing to do is keep to the sides and just flip it til the cows come home . Either ram it around from da sides and throw out the ring or clamp n pit.

For Clawdius, Im guessing its the same Love Bite from PTT5. If so, the idea is to keep to the sides (again ) and grapple the Hardox armour. Drag around a while and Pit. Maybe I can even puncture the flipper mechanics ala Razer against Firestorm

[siphai]

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Group 2
Cosmic thunder 2 (Netherlands) V SYNDOS (Wales)

From what I can tell, this is a big verticle spinner design with a pretty mean blade. However, it does have a nice ground clearence at the front that I will try to exploit. The thing about verticle discs, is that they have a hard time hurting wedges because the wedge shape deflects the discs hitting power. Also take not the gyroscopic affects of verticle spinners. Even with that slow speed, the high speed of that blade could cause it to turn over on its own. With that in mind, Im going to use my superior speed to charge him at the start of the match. I will try to manuver to his sides, and try to slide underneath them and flip him over. Then just try to flip him out of the arena, if hes moving after the first flip.

Group 4
Cyberdemon (Japan) V Geforce (Jersey)

I would just like to say that Geforce easily has this one in the bag. I have personally designed Cyberdemon myself, and only a couple days ago came the the conclusion that it can not self-right and is not invertible. To put it simply, Cyberdemon is a y-spinner like Y-Pout. This means that the shell itself does not spin, unless the wheels are moving. If its upside-down then the wheels arent touching anything and cannot get the traction it needs to move. Because of this, the shell is not spinning and cannot use that poll to self-right. Sorry Tony, I should have made the design better for you.

Group 5
Back to rock (Belgium) V Cacodemon (USA)

From what I see in the picture, BtR is a pretty boxy design with steep side wedges. Im faster than he is, and I think I have a lower front than his or his sides so I should be able to get underneath him. From there try to pit him, I dont want this going on longer than it should. If he gets me on his scoop, back of immediatly. Try to avoid his blade and scoop anyway.

gluck all.

[martyn]

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Tim your not in because your robots arent anything near realistic.

Kevin sorry but you only entered 1 robot i asked for 2 and also if i added you it would muck the groups up. However as a way of making it up to you if you selcet a real robot from rw or bb to fight against wolf i will write that fight as a special event in Martyns Robot Wars series 5

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Back to rock (Belgium) V Cacodemon (USA)

quoted by Alex M and W

[[and I think I have a lower front than his or his sides so I should be able to get underneath him.]]

You cant just state youre lower than me because you somehow think so
check my stats, they quite clearly state both my front and my sides (due to skirts) have zero ground clearance, whereas your sides happen to have 1 mm of ground clearance

This should be a nice battle, pusher vs pusher, although I think Id win on pushing power, as my Eteks geared towards 18 mph should give more torque then his Dustins geared towards 20 mph

I also noticed I have a nice advantage on manouvrebility, as Cacodemons turning circle is 1 mm, while mine is 0 mm, which should give me the opurtunity to ram him sides on and lift him, and hopefully pit him, while severely damaging his skirts with my saw blade

if I cant pit him instantly, Ill try to flip him over, making his wedge useless, which should make it alot more easy to evantually pit him

and ofcourse, if he wont let himself be lifted, Ill just ram him straightly to the pit

Ill try to avoid getting caught on top of his front wedge. seeing the flatness of the wedge, I think Im quite well capable of using my nice acceleration to drive off his wedge almost instantly, when he tries to get underneath me




(Message edited by MajinB on September 03, 2005)

[siphai]

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[quoted by Martijn]

You cant just state youre lower than me because you somehow think so
check my stats, they quite clearly state both my front and my sides (due to skirts) have zero ground clearance, whereas your sides happen to have 1 mm of ground clearance.

My SIDES have 1mm ground clearence, but my front has 0mm. Since they are both 0, it basically ends in a stalemate for stats so we would have to result to using another source, such as the pictures. My front, in my picture, compared to yours could probably get under. Also, skirts are infailable. Even then, my entire chassis has skirts all around.

This should be a nice battle, pusher vs pusher, although I think Id win on pushing power, as my Eteks geared towards 18 mph should give more torque then his Dustins geared towards 20 mph

Yeah, probably, but get under me first. If you ride up my wedge, Im pretty sure you arent going to push much.

I also noticed I have a nice advantage on manouvrebility, as Cacodemons turning circle is 1 mm, while mine is 0 mm, which should give me the opurtunity to ram him sides on and lift him, and hopefully pit him, while severely damaging his skirts with my saw blade

You have the manuverability advantage, however I am faster so I should be able to just run off if you try to come to my sides.

Ill try to avoid getting underneath his front wedge, seeing the flatness of the wedge, I think Im quite well capable of using my nice acceleration to drive off his wedge almost instantly, when he tries to get underneath me

You could try driving off... however when I have you on my wedge Im not going to stop and wait if you are going off. Im going to keep driving to stop you front getting off.

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hey oh so this fra is now getting crapper

Tim, if you dont like it, then just leave will you?

All Scoop And No Stab Make Steve A Dull Boy (Scotland) V Force Power 4 (Australia)

Hmmm, this will be tough. Just get under and ram it around the arena as hard as possible. Not worried that much about the weaponry.

Cyberdemon (Japan) V Geforce (Jersey)

Im actually happy about this one, very happy. The shell is poorly designed, all of those teeth mean that on contact with GeForces body the impact will be spread between the teeth instead of causing all the impact in one single tooth. Basically I dont think it can damage GeForce at all. And just to make things better I dont think that thing can self right properly so one flip will do it.

[mrdaves]

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Right, Chalkie 3G stats are up on Far: Seggy 4.25 are below:

Seggy 4.25

Mass - The chassis itself with no weapons fitted weighs in at 77 kg (give or take 0.5 kg). The heaviest weapon setup tips the scales at 100 kg.

The main weapon is interchangeable, the options are:

Weapon 1a - An invertible flipping arm(think of Big Nipper), this arm is designed to work both ways around and is not designed to lift above 30 degree in either direction, as the stroke of the double ended custom piston is only 30 Cms, but with Co2, at 750 psi on the twin pistons should send a robot into the air.

Weapon 1b - A vertical drum weapon, the drum weighs 12.1 kg, and is tri belt driven using a simple ratio from a MagMotor at 36 volts. The speed is a nice 2000 rpm; the teeth are designed to flip upwards, used mainly against skirted machines.

Weapon 1c - A horizontal spinning bar, weighing 10 kg, the motor is the same motor from the drum, but connected to the bar using 4 chains on a shaft. Runs about 2000 rpm. Used mainly against machines with exposed frame and weapons.

Weapon 1d - This weapon is a four tooth blade, running at 2000 rpm, the good thing of this blade is that it can be adjusted heights, so one fight it could be at ground level for wheels and the next fight if fixed it can be at the right height to hit something else. The system for spin is the same setup as the bar.

Weapon 1e - The Spike of Coffee, basically it€™s a 750 psi powered ram, powering a spike though a hole to pierce the other robot, then we fire a little servo to loosen the grippers and pull backwards, the spike has little wings in which to keep hold of the other robot.

Weapon 1f - Passive Active wedge. 23 kg of steel, which means it€™s a good spinner stopper. Also it can have electro-springs pinning the wedge down further, so that the front wheels lift off the ground. The active part is a little flail which is designed to damage wheels. There is a tip on the top of the wedge to stop robots driving up and over the top and to make it invertible-ish.

Weapon 1g - This is an €˜active€™ anti spinner scoop. It is designed to flex backwards with the forces from the spinner. The twin shocks are designed to be adjusted to allow for mega energy levels, at its maximum tightness the scoop can re-stand a massive 1 MJ of kinetic energy. The normal running tightness can re-stand 100 kJ; because of the smooth, oiled piston in which the main spring is stored it creates a virtually zero friction levels. Then the fun can begin, as the energy is released in what Andy said, one massive amount, pushing the spinner anti-clockwise, which in some cases will destroy the shaft. This bias to the left can be changed to the right. The centre pole is held within an oiled shaft which makes damage zero. To protect the back of the scoop and the front of the robot, there is a piece of 1cm rubber either side of the shock zone. For protection, there are torsion spring loaded side panels, which protect the inners of the scoop and flex outwards when the scoop is loaded.

Weapon 1h - The Pie tossing weapon. This is a full 750 psi flipper, with a Wedge Devolution style front plate. Baby, Seggy has a proper flipper to toss those annoying robots over the fence.

Weapons (b, c, d, e and f) have a little front wedge fitted, this is to prevent robots from getting underneath, and can be removed.

Weapon 2 - 4 rear spikes, each one weighing 150 grams and are fixed. These give protection from ramming and spinners at the rear end.

Can it self-right - It€™ is semi-invertible, so that only the rear two wheels are open to attack. Even if the rear wheels taken to pieces, the front two wheels are enough to move. Side rollover cages and rear spikes prevent landing on side or rear.

Velocity - I lost to speed in the past, this time I have increased the speed to take on the speedy robots that are around today. The maximum speed is 30 mph HOWEVER, the normal speed used in fights is 18 mph, which gives the best control and punch, twinned with the gearing, the acceleration is high.

Wheels - Depending on arena surface, a set of 1 piece titanium wheels with added Big Nipper style groves or two piece titanium hub rubbers outside, grip baby.

Turning Circle - The 4 wheels use a skid-steer method. This gives a turning circle of zero mm; however the true turning circle is something like 1mm.

Ground clearance - The ground clearance all over the machine is 20mm, this giving aid to turning, the front has an optioned wedge, which is fixed with some weapons without a scoop (drum, spinners). The skirts reduce the ground clearance to zero

Skirts - This version; I have finally got some skirts to fit against flippers and wedges. These are normal skirts, which when inverted fold back on themselves, when the electromagnet is released. The skirts hold down with a force about 2000 Newtons, meaning that I don€™t normally like them, because of the added resistance.

Wheel Type - 2 LEM 130€™s at 36 volts, though a double chain reduction gearbox, giving overall 17.5:1 reduction. The chains themselves are protected by axes and crushers by the use of a steel protection bar.

With the front wheels being smaller than the rear wheels, the gearing is different to counter-act the forces, so that both sets run at the same speed. The average gearing is 17.5:1.

Body Shape: Semi-invertible box (i.e. 4 wheels on the bottom, 2 wheels on the top) with rear spikes and side roll-over bars.

Chassis - The main chassis is 6.3mm steel bars with it being enforced with 19mm steel triangles giving a very tough little robot. It is a Chalkie 2 style chassis with only the top and bottom being allowed to be removed to stop those pesky spinners. The sides have added steel plates around, which are doubled around the wheels, so there is no chance that the chassis can jam against the wheels.
There is a 5cm layer of rubber around the inside of the chassis to absorb energy, so this version of Seggy is larger than PCC. The first weapon will fit within a large cut-out in the robot. The top and bottom plates are 5mm titanium.

Colour: - It is a shade of yellow, with metallic threads within the paint, sprayed on to give it about 2mm of paint. When the scoops are fitted, the cut-out is covered with 5mm of titanium.

Batteries - The robot is run by 4 packs of 3000mAh NiCad€™s @ 36 volts. This gives 12 Amps to get though the full 5 minutes of a fight. There is a simple recharging battery to recharge the batteries throughout the fight to keep it going.

Summary - The 5th version. The 4th version did me well, but it had some problems, now, I have a proper flipper, faster and tougher front wheel gearing to cope with the different sizes, ladies and gentlemen please, meet Seggy 4.2, now with added rubber. Carlsberg don€™t make robots, but if they did they would be the best robots in the world.

Strengths - Interchangeable weapons to suit everybody, speed, control, power.

Weaknesses - Some might say it€™s a jack of all trades, master of none.

[mrdaves]

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Manic Monsoon (Wales) V Seggy 4 (the channel islands)
Shit, the welsh powerplant against the Vat Free bot

Looks like I have the slight speed advantage, but it isnt much. Im going for my lovely front wedge which has a pointless flail in, god knows what will happen in a head-on crash, because I havent fully gone over the details, but if I lower my wedge so much that my front wheels are off the ground (which isnt a great deal for me, because Seggy is mainly rear wheel drive), I will send all the power to the rear wheels like I do when upside down, and basically slam straight into Monsoon.

This is where plan 2 comes into play:
Either I get underneath Monsoon, where it should be able to stop against the invertible tip thing at the top, which hopefully it has lost enough traction so that i can push it back, I think i have the more torque, which is useful, then it will be a case of either pitting it, or waiting for it to burn out its motors

Or:
Monsoon gets under me, where I should put full power in reverse, and lock the wheel up so that I spin around off the front and go broadside, where I should nip under those skirts, to push Monsoon sideways down the pit.

Or:
Neither robot gets under each other, which could happen, but could be rare, in this case, reverse out of the way and attack once more.

I want to control this fight, so using a collection of dodges, anti-dodges and the rare anti-anti-dodge, keep away from the front end, where upto speed, it should only be able to go straight on.

Good luck Danny, dont destroy poor little seggy.

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Axe-o-lot (Mexico) V Chalkie 3G (Canada)

Use Sword
Drive into robot
Duck round side
Get under
Lift
Pit

Its axe shouldnt damage me

[majinb]

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Siphai, its the stats that make a robot, not the picture

some of us dont even make pictures, and that changes nothing to the effectiveness of the robot, the picture I made is to give a rough idea of what my machine looks like, not to explain his ground clearance, as Ive made stats for that

the stats and only the stats is what makes a vapourbot (as long as they are physically possible), and when I say my robot has two lifting plates on the lifting arm at zero ground clearance, than there is zero ground clearance

according to your stats, your front wedge also has zero ground clearance, meaning the lowness of our fronts is exactly the same

so technically, youre able to get underneath my front, just like Im able to get underneath your front, so if we hit head on, the one who produces most force (probably me, unless youve build up some momentum) will win

you probably also are able to get underneath my sideskirts, although that wont be easy for you. seeing your sides have 1 mm of ground clearance, according to your stats, Ill try to manouvre my way underneath them, and ram/lift at the same time, hopefully flipping you over and pitting you

of course you can outrun me, but you cant keep on fleeing, when were in a struggle, I hope to accelerate and outmanouvere you and thereby get underneath your sides, evantually pitting you

the clawed wedge is tricky though, I cant drive straght over it to get off it, if you attack my sides I should be able to drive backwards or forwards and drive off that way, if you attack me head on or at my back... well, I just hope my manouverability and acceleration can prevent that

[siphai]

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That just sounds like an elongated version of Good Luck! =P

I just hope that I can build up momentum to force my wedge even lower into the ground and get underneath you. If I do get under, then Im never going to let you away. Hopefully if I get under your sides, the claws can sort of dig in front the ram and hold you there long enough to pit.

Oh, by looking at your stats again I noticed this.

Weakness - Hydraulic srimech might prove to be slow

I also noticed that your srimech is basically your lifter/ram. If it would be slow to self-right... then it would be slow to lift, giving me just enough time to escape the lift... er I think.

(Message edited by Siphai on September 04, 2005)

[kevin]

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Ill enter Firestorm (if that is taken then I will take Mute) with Wolf. The rules didnt you needed to enter two robots. And Im sorry.

(Message edited by kevin on September 04, 2005)

(Message edited by kevin on September 04, 2005)

[darkguru]

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Tactics later, stats now

Robot Name: Love Bite V 2.0
Length/Width/Height: 120/30/20
Weight: 100KG
Motivation: €œWheels/Legs/Shuffles€™ 4 inner wheels
Speed: 30 MPH
Weapon: €œWeapon type and specs€ Hydraulic pincers at 2000 psi, can damage light-moderate armour. At the front is a Firestorm type flipping arm, CO2 powered, really just a SRIMECH but it will get other bots over, not really meant to be an OOTA flipper seeing as it€™s speed and the pincers do most of the damage.
Drive: €œMotors used and voltage, style of reduction€ Bosch motors at 36 volts, gear reduction
Power: €œBattery type and Voltage & Amps€ 2 x 36 volts at 3 amp NiCD packs
Armour: €œMaterials and thickness, method held on€ 4 mm hardox, welded.
Ground Clearance: 3MM
Turning Circle: 0M
Notes: It is a double wedge with skirts around the two sides. The paint job is black with Love the Bite in red down the skirts. Muchos credit to Aaron for the help.
Accomplishments: Spawn of Love Bite (NSBFL 7 16th seed), the NSBFLX New Blood runner up

Name: Going Crunch (Cluster bot)
Weight: 100kg (55 KG spinner 45 KG flipper)
Dimensions (LxWxH):120 x 30 x 12 joined.
Shape: The flipper is triangular and designed not to flip itself ala Gemini. There is also a lump of metal at the back guarding against that as well. The flipping device is at the point of the triangle and there is a slight scoop. The spinner is same shape only the triangle is cut off with the spinner.
Weapons: A flipper that has the ability to toss opponents far rather than high and a spinner that delivers about 20 KJ energy.
Srimech: The flipper is its own srimech and the spinner has a lifting arm type srimech.
Armour: 4mm Titanium
Top Speed: 14 MPH when joined. Flipper 18 MPH separate. Spinner 14 MPH separate
Main Tactics: At first the robots can be joined with a spinner at one end and a flipper at the other. Then they separate and use a pincer type attack.
Colour: Red with black writing.
Strengths: Ability to use a pincer attack.
Weaknesses: The flipper is quite light and can be pushed around from the back. That€™s where the spinner would need to help.
Accomplishments: Seeded 14th in NSBFL 7 Last surviving seed in NSBFL 7, awaiting its third place playoff battle. Runner up (with 360) of NSBFLX tag terror, has always escaped the first battle since being converted from Going Going Crunch.

[siphai]

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Okay, since I have a bit more time, Im gonna do all around preditions.

Group 1
All Scoop And No Stab Make Steve A Dull Boy (Scotland) V Force Power 4 (Australia)

ASANSMSADB to get underneath FP4 and trap it. Then to pit it, and harass it.

Cyclone force 2.5 (EIRE) V Pure Evil: Revenge of the Disc (Portugal)

Pure Evil: Revenge of the Disc to win this one through many a cut.

Group 2
Axe-o-lot (Mexico) V Chalkie 3G (Canada)

Chalkie to get underneath and pit.

Group 3
Dante (Ecuador) V Going Crunch (Poland)

I actually think Dante could do this, if he was able to take out that spinner.

Jack Kennedy (USA) V Snake Bite IV (Gibraltar)

Snake Bite, easily.

Group 4
Cyberdemon (Japan) V Geforce (Jersey)

Geforce, easily. One fliper and that Cyberdemon is as good as BFG10kod

Manic Monsoon (Wales) V Seggy 4 (the channel islands)

Seggy 4, but its going to be pretty damn close.

Group 5

Clawdius Decimus Murderous (Italy) V Love Bite (Spain)

Clawdius Decimus Murderous to get under Love Bite, and puncture that flipper easily. Although, if Love Bite gets to the side or underneath the front, then hell probably win.

[martyn]

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NO MORE EDITING OF STATS if your stats havent been located by me or be posted by now u will auto lose your first fight

[martyn]

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Group 1
All Scoop and No Stab Makes Steve a Dull Boy (Scotland) V Force Power 4 (Australia)
3.2.1.ACTIVATE
Well force power 1mph quicker gets off to the quicker start. The 2 robots meet in the middle of the arena neither robot can get under each other force power pushes the Scottish robot back into the arena wall causing it to fly off to the side. Scoop and stab recovers and charges side on to force power and is able to slip under the skirt and then brings the axe down on top of force power. Scoop and stab releases the axe and flips force power up and over. The hinged wedge is fine and the blade is back up to speed, it is used to smack the side of scoop and stab doing little damage. Force power turns around and gets under the skirts and smacks the Scottish robot into the pit release button. Force power turns around still with scoop and stab on its wedge and dumps the Scottish bot down the pit.
Cease
All Scoop and No Stab Makes Steve a Dull Boy (Scotland) 0 points
Force Power 4 (Australia) 3 points

Group 2
Axe-o-lot (Mexico) V Chalkie 3G (Canada)
Well no stats for axe-o-lot anywhere so 0 points for the Mexican and Canada gets all 3