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    I realise I might be able to find the answer to this in one of the books on Carlos site, but before I send him money I thought Id ask here.

    This must be a known problem: I want to take a rotating axle with approximately constant torque/speed (e.g. an electric motor) and use it to drive another axle such that speed and torque are approximately inversely proportional.

    In other words, I want to turn an axle quickly when theres little resistance applied to it, but apply a lot of force if necessary at the cost of speed.

    This isnt for a crusher, so I dont need an absolutely resilient mechanism. (Although I can see how such a thing would be useful for a crusher. Mind you, if I was doing a crusher, Id start by shoving a linear actuator along a ratchet until it found resistance, which is a far more digital thing than Im looking at.)

    I can think (vaguely) of various ways of doing it - something using a device like a governor as a gear (or some other CVT-related technique relying on belt drive), something based on limited slip differentials, or even actually giving the thing a gearbox. None seem very simple, and certainly not very resilient. Rather than reinvent the wheel, I thought I should ask the more mechanically minded types here for the right way to do it.

    Any thoughts?

    Ta,

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    Fluppet

  • #2
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    Use a series wound motor, they have that build in, in the Torque/speed tabel.Easy as asking. Sheap dependable, but not that efficient.

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    • #3
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      Why not a PM motor?

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      • #4
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        The efficiency may be my concern - also the range of speed Im looking at. You might be right that I could just wire it up and not worry about it. I dont really have enough experience of the things to know what behaviour I should expect.

        That might have made it academic, but Im still curious if anybody knows a mechanical linkage with the relevant behaviour.

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        Fluppet

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        • #5
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          Yes I know a suitable system. And even better, I know roboteers that have some.
          The variable belt driven transmission
          We have 1 that needs an external source to vary the speed.
          Sam Smith-Tiberius- has some from mopeds.

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          • #6
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            Jonas, theres a big diffrence between a permanent magnet motor and a series wound motor.

            Im to lazy to explain it myself, but check out Talulahs http://homepages.which.net/~paul.hills/index.html>

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            • #7
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              Christian:I know the difference!

              But a PM also delivers more torque when slowed down. And, without knowing more of the application, it is impossible to say if the PM would work.

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              • #8
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                Yes, but the speed of a permanent magnet motor is proportional to the load torque. If the motor runs at 50% of its max speed, then it produces 50% of its max torque.

                Thats nothing when compared to the torque produced by a series wound motor!

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                • #9
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                  Sorry for hijacking of this thread, I know you don´t want a motor, i just need to say one thing...

                  Christian wrote:but the speed of a permanent magnet motor is proportional to the load torque

                  That means, the higher speed, the higher torque.
                  Now, assuming that you mean inversely proportional (which I really hope you do!):

                  Andrew wrote:such that speed and torque are approximately inversely proportional

                  That is (as you can see) the exact feature he is looking for. Now it is up to the application (which I dont know anything about), to tell if a PM would or would not work.

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                  • #10
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                    Hehe, I knew that there was something wrong about that!

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