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[stu]

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Ed, it didint have an arena roof, few people who went to the event last time confirmed to me it didnt have a roof, and spinners were running.

Slow Speed ish horizontal might just be ok, how ever not recomended and wouldnt be at FW.org events, but i hope they dont allow Vertical Spinners to run without a roof. Even a small low Knetic Energy blade like Kitty can make a big peace of polycarb and bits of metal fly over an arena as high as Roaming Robots.
And it did. (But was contained by their roof.)

Mr Stu

[stu]

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(Ewan posted before my last reply, this post is to reply to Ewans reply, how many replys can i put in this reply sentance?)

Ewan - i dont care if its special wood shipped from the rain foresst - wood supports for a big huge fast spinner like that - is not safe full stop mate.

There is a high chance the arena we used at FeatherWeights.org (Roaming Robots Feather Arena) would contain a spinner like that. But if that spinner was at full speed and took a direct hit by a horizontal disc, that blade and motor is going to go flying and may get stuck into the polycarb screens. Yes it may contain it, but will damage the polycarb screen due to your unsafe built robot.

Yes robots will get smashed and bits will fly, but not a whole spinner with its motor attached to it. If that was a heavy weight and at robot wars, it wouldnt be allowed. But as its a feather weight they would. But a feather weight like that in a feather weight arena - no no.

Mr Stu

[storm]

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Im concerned to hear that the RC Wars arena has been running robots like Tantrum in previous events without a roof in place - particularly concerned given James Cooper put a post on the forum defending the safety of his events.

James - perhaps you could shed some light on this - did the RC Wars arena have a roof on it last time. If it didnt - I believe you may have just found out why people have been worried about safety, and I also believe you may owe people an apology for your rant in the other thread about how safe your events are.

I understand that the FRA is sending a delegation along to have a look at your next event - lets hope they only have good things to report going forward !

Ed
http://www.stormrobot.comhttp://www.stormrobot.com

[storm]

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On the basis that theres no way the spinning mass would be able to penetrate the Roaming Robots Arena if (when!) it comes off, and on the assumption that the robot passed its tech checks I dont see why it wouldnt be allowed to run.

It would certainly be worth watching though Ewan, Im not sure it would hold together. Only one way to tell though !

Ed
http://www.stormrobot.comhttp://www.stormrobot.com
Doing Stus multi post thing !

[Mouldy]

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Sorry Ewan, doesnt look like it will run at r/c wars...its not up to me to diside but unless you re-engineer that robot dont bother bringing it in, in the thought that you will be aloud to run...Im speaking mainly for myself hear but i have been to all the resant r/c wars events since and before they put up there new arena..I dont belive it has a roof at this moment in time either.
Also if we are very cautious of running tantrum on 1/16 th power I doubt you will be aloud to run on full wack.

regards
Dave moulds
Team Turbine

[ewan]

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Stu, Wood is stronger than you think...
The whole weapon pod is VERY strong, and has a foot area (in contact with the base) of 60cm2, this is connected to the base via 8 6mm screws. When you come to RC Wars (might not run the disc unless he gets a net or something) I will show you its true strength. Oh, and thats a 12v motor run @ 24v e.g. Ive got LOADS of speed and LOADS of torque from that weapon motor...
Cheers, Ewan

[blazerbotics]

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we are attending the RC wars event. we will be looking at the safety of the event.

Ewan, have you talked to james about coming to the event, last i saw you werent on the list and i know theres no space for any more.

Im unsure if RC wars arena has a roof. I know tantrum has ran at 12volts.

[ewan]

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I am definately going, he comfirmed me via email, just I wont be running the weapon...
Cheers, Ewan

[stu]

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Just seen a pic of the RC Wars arena, if that spinner was spinning at full pelt and hit the wall - hmmm could be very iffy.

Glad u aint running the weapon Ewan.

Mr Stu

[james...venom]

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Ok all,

Rc Wars hasnt had a roof and hasnt ever run a vertical spinner! not even trilibium. Tantrum was on low power.
Due to the venue beeing so small the roof is bearly higher than the arena. for this next event we will be covering the beams above the arena to stop any ( somehow ) flying vertical debris from getting any where near the roboteers.
Also if we have time we maybe upgrading the front screens to 15mm. if everthing is ok with the sponsers. so i am confident that anything in the arena we will contain.

kind Regards

James...Venom

[sam_t]

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I should point out as I was the last RC wars event that the spinners running ar rc wars were Tantrum and BS both horizontal.
The arena is also indoors, the question should not be did it have a roof (I honestly didnt notice (3 hrs sleep)) but was there a significant gap between the walls and the roof.

Previously I would have questioned the size and speed anything would be launched in the air by a feather spinner but after vortex launched our tail at inspire I dont see how I can.

[james...venom]

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Stu the arena walls would hold up just fine. We tested tantrum in there b4 the events and hit the wall at full speed, buggered the spike up but nothing else. the wall is 18mm wood sandwiched between 1mm steel both sides

[storm]

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James Im sorry - but this isnt what anyone wants to see from someone suggesting they are a professional event organiser.

In your other post you said in the safety section of the forum you said :

So far i am correct in saying that we havent had ONE event where anything has jeperdised the safty of that event.

..... but you were running spinners in an arena without a roof. And theres no such thing as running a spinnner at low power, something could go wrong and it could spin up..... and on that note but youll have to excuse me if I point out that in your last two posts :

Rc Wars hasnt had a roof and hasnt ever run a vertical spinner! not even trilibium. Tantrum was on low power.

and

We tested tantrum in there b4 the events and hit the wall at full speed

....do seem to be somewhat in contradiction of each other. Either its safe to run tantrum or its not. Has Tantrum been run at full power or not, or does it depend on which point you are trying to make at the time ?

Also if any body who has been to one of our past events and would like to share there oppinion on how that event was handled, it would be great to hear from you.

Its clear from Sams comment above that he didnt even realise the danger that you were putting him in by running an arena like that :sad:

Your suggestion that somehow flying debris will get out of the arena suggest you dont know what youre dealing with. Vortex removed the tail from BS at Inspire and launched it hard into the roof.

Defending the safety of your event is one thing, but to suggest that your track record was to the point of not having ONE event that could have compromised safety on a public forum, and defiently lay into people who felt it was dangerous is bang out of order James.

If you want to exist in the real world, you need to buck your ideas up. Sorry to come down on you like a ton of bricks James, but Im just telling it how it is.

When it comes to Safety, half measures wont do - and misleading people just makes a bad situation worse.

Ed
http://www.stormrobot.comhttp://www.stormrobot.com

[teammad]

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what would happen if a spinner if flipped into the polly carb walls?

[james...venom]

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Ed thats completely understandable, i wish there were more like you, your critersisms are much appreciated.

first of all vortex is a bloody powerfull vertical spinner so its bound to send things upwards . we havent ever run a vertical spinner. i think the piont sam was saying (correct me if im wrong please ) is that the roof was very low anyway??? the gap between the top of the polycarb and the roof is quite minimal, so anything going upwards would of had a hard time getting out. still not impossible though therefore we didnt run vertical spinners

unless we do get a roof sorted or ajust the venues roof we still wont be running vertical spinners