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    jhq,

    Interesting design.

    Weve been trying the DeWalt 24V motor/gearbox as a servo to control the position of the tail on Terrorhurtz. Thought I might just share some of the observations weve made so far.

    see pics at
    http://news.terrorhurtz.com/tailservo/http://news.terrorhurtz.com/tailservo/

    The weak point of these gearboxes, as you probably know, is the plastic ring gear of the second stage of the gearbox. The first big hit that the tail took and it disintegrated, as expected.

    Dustin provide a replacement, which we havent tried yet, but note that the teeth of this replacement part are just watercut - by no means a nicely machined involute spur gear.

    In retrospect I probably wouldnt have bothered with the Dustin high-temp brush housing - it does not locate the brushes very well and in the sort of application we are using the motors, I dont think the brushes should get all that hot.

    The plastic gearbox housing has oddly shaped ridges on it (for moulding purposes) and would be quite tricky to make a matching mount for, so we cut the front edge of the gearbox back, to expose 12mm of the final ring gear. This has nice regular splines on it for which it is rather easier to make a matching mount.

    Interesting idea in your first drawing of driving the rear arms of the flipper. I think this could work quite well, especially if you dropped the rearmost pivot point right down, below the level of the pivot on the chassis. This would get over the inherant poor initial mechanical advantage when driving the front arms and also eliminate the danger of the rear links going over-centre.

    good building

    John Reid
    http://www.teamhurtz.comhttp://www.teamhurtz.com


    (Message edited by terrorhurtz on November 18, 2005)

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      p.s. I would recommend the Dustin Gear Box conversion kit for 5/8 shaft, though I made my own bearing mount.

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        nice to hear some experiences about those motors, the most disturbing problem imho is the gearbox front steel piece with roller bearings coming off.

        Interesting idea in your first drawing of driving the rear arms of the flipper.

        It seemed like a good idea but when i did the maths (with the help of ewan) there was only 4kg of lifting force, most of power was lost because it was trying to move the wrong place so that system wasnt good for lifting/flipping opponents.

        btw, what the heck is the cad drawing on your profile? thats some insane designing!

        (Message edited by jh-q on November 19, 2005)

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          I believe John is suggesting something a little different to your first idea, Ill be on msn a little later

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            Jh-q .......I believe the cad drawing is the tail servo of terrorhurtz...... He gave a link in his post.

            Compare the two.

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              The drawing on my profile was an early design for the tail servo. It was going to costs too much for the custom gears though, so I went for the DeWalt 24V instead.

              John

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                New feather coming on cant do much more till Sidewinder arrives. Latest pic on profile.

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                  wouldnt you be better using nicads with Evs?

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                    Dont Know but cant afford to get any new batteries at the moment them Sidewinders are not cheap

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                      ev are fine on nimh. Ive used em for three years and never damaged a cell.
                      Looks like its going to be fast and pushy Tony

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                        Yes when I tested the drive I did not get it fully clear of the floor, it was up so it did not move but I thought whats that smell it was the carpet starting to burn from the friction.

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                          microCHIP is coming along nicely Tony, I tested the astro/hardox spinner on Sunday, only at 9v on the psu!! Pulled 23A and went very fast. Might not run it at 24v after all. Maybe just 14.4v.
                          Made the Ti side skirts today.
                          Will post a pic soon

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                            23A @ 9V!!!!! bloody hell!! Rob, what have you done?..thats drawing WAY too much current, either your gear ratio is too low or you have very stiff bearings!
                            Mind you, are you talking about start up load or continious running load?
                            Scorpion Evilution draws around a 50A peak load on start up reducing very quickly to around a 12A running load.
                            (and that is for TWO Astroflights!)

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                              That was continous :sad:
                              The belt was pretty slack too.
                              No too sure why it was pulling so much. The ratio is 3:1
                              Rob

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                                Rob,
                                23A Continous!!!..Nah, cant be that high... Somethings not right there!
                                If you remove the belt and let the motor run free you should see a load somewhere in the order of 3-4A @12V If you get significantly more than that then first check what the motor draws running in the other direction, Astroflight 940s can be biased to run faster in one direction by adjusting the end cap / brush housing. If they are set up this way and you try to run them the wrong way they use stupid amounts of current and get so hot you will end up smoking it in a very short time.
                                The motor should come from the factory set for bi-directional use but its always worth checking! You can do this by looking for a small scribe mark on the rear end of the
                                black motor body and making sure it lines up with a corresponding mark on the gold coloured end cap just in FRONT of one of the brush housings.
                                If the mark on the body lines up with the mark on the end cap to the SIDE of the brush housing then the motor is set for single direction use.
                                If you need to change it, e-mail me and Ill tell you the easiest way to do it.
                                Hope this helps.

                                Geoff.

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